Talk:Simranjit Singh Mann

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I removed much of the article due to significant bias and non-NPOV issues. It's copied here so people can see why more easily. This article needs a fair bit of work to meet NPOV standadrds...

Simranjit Singh is the main voice of Sikhs against the Hindu policital and social organisations and a well known face of the general anti Hindu polemic spouted by the neo Sikhs of the modern era. He is regarded as an icon of Sikhs who identify themselves in terms of their identity being as anti-Hindu rather than the positive outlook animating the earlier Sikh formations. He is a maverick politician with little following amogst the mainstream in his home state of Punjab where many regard him as a stooge of the existing political system Simranjit Singh is constantly pushing an extremists driven agenda with a thinly veiled link to internationally proscribed terrorist groups often masquerading under the cover of human rights His main popularity is amongst the Sikh Right wingers who are often pushing a return to the violence that plagued Punjab during the 1980's. he has also been at the forefront of campaigns to restrict the preaching of Sikhism to 'pure' Sikhs in an ever expaning 'Talibanisation' of a faith which once prided itself on opposing existing prejudices, Such notios of purity have resulted in an increasing a vitriolic atmosphere charged with race , caste, regional and religious hatreds —Preceding unsigned comment added by AntarcticPenguin (talk •

contribs) 01:18, 14 April 2009 (UTC) 

This current page is simply embarrassing in its biases and lack of cites. I would propose using the June 17 revision by 67.84.186.253 (not me — I just did the "citation needed" before), but a bot appears to have changed it back.Misaligned —Preceding undated comment added 15:27, 8 June 2009 (UTC).

The following are by no means factual, and indeed are extraordinarily biased: "general anti Hindu polemic spouted by the neo Sikhs of the modern era." " stooge of the existing political system" "constantly pushing an extremists driven agenda with a thinly veiled link to internationally proscribed terrorist groups often masquerading under the cover of human rights " "Manns apparent concern for human rights has not extended to the plight of Sikhs in Pakistan..." "Many Sikhs try and hide the uncomfortable truth about their leaders and psuedo struggle for equal rights which masquerades behind the real agenda of supremacy as enunciated in the Anandpur Resolution of 1972" Also, the grammar is atrocious, and the last line is, inappropriately, neither in English nor translated to English. My motivation, since it has been brought up, is that of a cranky academic who dislikes poorly-written Wikipedia entries.--Misaligned (talk) 17:20, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

"there seems to be a motivated attempt to avoid certain aspets of SS Manns life and career which are seemingly uncomfortable for certain sections Punjab today is suffering from a situation where people are beig murdered for speaking the truth but I feel at lease on the internet the truth should remain unaltered without fear of murder and death. The amended article makes references to known facts and the ground level reality of Punjab India. Accordingly in the interest of presenting the truth I am impelled to revert to the previous version." (This section written by Karnail Jutha, recopied by Misaligned in order to preserve the older posts. Please don't delete older posts in the Talk section.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Misaligned (talk • contribs) 18:27, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Please address above issues. The quoted sections are inherently editorial, not factual. If, however, SS Mann is known for "anti Hindu polemic[s]" (and I wouldn't be shocked if he is), then you can simply find something he said that's quoted online and post it under the current contents, with an in-text citation. That way, the reader can see the facts and draw their own conclusions, rather than being treated to an out-of-place editorial.--Misaligned (talk) 18:32, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Certain References are available in support of the comments raised in the article of the present form:

(1) That the propogation of the Anandpur Sahib Resolution by some Sikhs political interests also includes certain references to preeminence (as opposed to equality) and also derogotary references to Hinduism (" saltish sea waters of incoherent Hinduism)

www.khalistan-affairs.org/media/pdf/Anandpur_Sahib_Resolution.pdf

(2) Link to newspaper report where Mr Mann admits being the grandson of Aroor Singh

Also interesting to note is that article also refers to Mr Mann and his followers allegedly damaging the statuete of a former CM of Punjab murdered by Khalistani extremists

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2007/20070530/ldh1.htm

(3) heres some links by his party to just some of his comments on what are otherwise secular matters outside of the realm of religion which are quite self evidently pouring with anti Hindu rhetoric

https://akalidalamritsar.sslpowered.com/akalidalamritsar.net/Home%20News%20Web%20Pages/2009/June2009/comment%20all%2020%20jun.htm

(4) In contrast to the above refer to his comments in respect of poll tax being enforced by the Taliban on Sikhs in Pakistan -

http://mail.sarai.net/pipermail/reader-list/2009-April/019133.html

(5) Support for the assasins of Prime Minister Indira Gandhi and for a independent theocratic state for Sikhs

http://www.punjabnewsline.com/content/view/17086/38/

29th June 2009

I have reverted to the previous article as I noted that the disucssion was far from complete and rather than engage in debate some peoples have chosen to revert to the previous version

To be fair, Kutha, the version up right now was the result of some back and forth several weeks ago — IOW, it *is* a consensus version. However, I promise that I'll take a look at your links tonight and see if we can add SS Mann's political views into the article in a useful manner. Deal? --Misaligned (talk) 18:55, 29 June 2009 (UTC)