Talk:Sequel

Talk from 2003

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Did the movie industry invent the word or was it used in publishing first? (04:08, 13 Jul 2003 . . User:Lee M)

The OED and other dictionaries date it to 1972 when used in the Britannica Book of the Year for 1972/73; someone can look there for the first credited use... (19:08, 12 Dec 2003 . . User:66.167.49.35)

- IMSoP 22:28, 16 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Video Games?

Can the word sequel only apply to films and books? Can't computer and video games have sequels? Vanky 19:55, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Hmm, yes, I'd say any "work of fiction" can have a sequel really, which in my book would include video games. I've added a fudge to that effect to the introductory paragraph, but a more thorough rewording would probably be sensible. - IMSoP 20:33, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

the first sequel?

when was the first true sequel written? By "true" I mean a work of fiction which follows on from a previous work, not one that was split up into multiple "parts" merely for practical reasons (such as Shakespeare's Henry VI parts 1, 2 and 3; or the Lord of the Rings trilogy). www.etymonline.com dates sequel meaning "story that follows and continues another" to 1513. Does anyone know what work of fiction this might refer to?

Given that the play was (supposedly) written to accommodate Queen Elizabeth who wanted to see Shakespeare's fictional creation Falstaff "in Love", one could make an argument for The Merry Wives of Windsor, although that's aroun 1600. Tomsalinsky 22:19, 28 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

wouldn't that technically be more like a spinoff rather than a sequel? ;) --Krsont 20:43, 17 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wasn't the Odyssey a sequel to the Iliad? Exodus a sequel to Genesis? EamonnPKeane 17:23, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oedipus Rex by Sophocles was part of a trilogy. 14 August 2007 (ALB)

The Iliad was a sequel to the (sadly lost) Cypria. EamonnPKeane 23:53, 27 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

First numbered sequel

Godfather Part II and not Quatermass 2? Tomsalinsky 22:16, 28 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I am also a person who spent an hour of research on this topic just now and want this fact recognized. Meanwhile I will simultaneously debate with myself on whether this counts, as it does not take the full title of its predecessor, and also it would seem that there are even older titles. I think Alladin II is a sequel to Alladin and the Wonderful Lamp (Indian spellings or something? I'm simply citing the IMDb). There are possibly even older ones. Furthermore, it appears to be mostly an evolution to things using "No. 2". While some stuff is hard to sort through, particularly pre-planned sequels, possibly in production before the release of the original, I can say fairly safely that while French Connection II is probably the earliest example with modern mainstream recognition, there are earlier examples. Like Hyeong 2 from 1971. Or Breast Orgy 2 in 1972. Eclipsed Moon 15:43, 7 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Threequel

What is the term "threequel" that re-directs here supposed to mean?? Georgia guy 02:21, 4 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've just added in a modified version of that article in the prequel section which hopefully answers your question. Turnstep 16:43, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't class Bourne Ultimatum as a threequel but a trilogy. All three films tell one story and the books they are based on was a trilogy as well. Nightjim 16:23, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

GoF to replace PoA?

I'm biased, because Prisoner of Azkaban is my favorite film in the Harry Potter series. But I gather that it's widely believed, and rightly so, that Goblet of Fire is more generally regarded as the greatest Potter film yet. Anybody mind if I edit this? - Caleb Osment 07:02, 3 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

distant sequels

I think the Terminator sequels are distant sequels. Parodoxicaly, they are also prequels because of the time travel apsect of the movie.whicky1978 02:33, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Indiana Jones

I've changed a sentance in the second last paragraph at the end of the "Titling of sequels" section, it originally said that Raiders of the Lost Ark had sequels, but that's not true, Temple of Doom was in fact a prequel. All I did was change the wording from "to better align it with its sequels." to "to better align it with its prequel and sequel." —Preceding unsigned comment added by It's me It's me (talk • contribs)

Quasi-sequel, midquel, interquel

I have merged quasi-sequel (now a redirect) as per suggestion. I also added redirect articles for midquel and interquel. All of these redirects point to sequel, but could be changed to redirect to Sequel#Other terms. mwazzap 08:49, 27 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I believe that interquel and midquel are actually the same thing (after one work, but before another). The Lion King 1 1/2 is actually the events of the original film from Timon and Pumbaa's point of view. That isn't the same.

Interquel and midquel are not the same thing. An interquel takes place between two previously completed works, and a midquel takes place during a previously completed work.

For example, the video game Metroid Prime was released after Metroid and Metroid II, but it takes place between them and is therefore an interquel.

On the other hand, in the video game Jak II, there's a two-year gap between the moments when the character of Jak is taken prisoner and when the character of Daxter rescues him. A later game titled Daxter takes place during this two-year gap, and is therefore a midquel.

I've never seen The Lion King 1½, but if it's simply a retelling of the events of The Lion King from another point of view, it's not an interquel or midquel or even a sidequel, but a parallel. This is similar to the novel Ender's Shadow, which retells the events of Ender's Game from another perspective. DT29 05:01, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Harry Potter

HP was actually planned with 8 books, but Rowling made the decision to just make 7 instead.

Reply to unsigned comment: No, Hagrid says in book 1 that Hogwarts education lasts 7 years. EamonnPKeane 23:55, 27 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Midquel"

I'm not exactly sure, but I believe the word "midquel" was invented on Wikipedia, or at least made up one day by a bored person. Whereas "interquel" at least has an entry on some Webster's editions, "midquel" seems to only exist as a result of Wikipedia, and just barely at that. Axem Titanium 22:07, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, a lot of this seems made up 141.151.79.241 03:28, 20 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What would you call this?

The upcoming Paul of Dune by Kevin J. Anderson and Brian Herbert will reportedly feature a section detailing the childhood of Paul Muad'Dib Atreides (therefore another prequel to Dune) and a section describing his Fremen Jihad (a sequel to Dune and prequel to Dune Messiah). The original Dune will, as a result, be sandwiched between the two sections of the new book. Anyone have a term for this one?

I'd like to suggest amphiquel..."a -quel on both sides". --SandChigger 03:43, 14 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Pirates of the Caribbean

In the article it's stated that PotC is an example of a pre-planned franchise for the purpose of franchise titles, but this is not technically the case. Pirates was developed without any sequels planned, and it was only after the success of the first film that they decided to expand it into a franchise. Perhaps another franchise should be used as an example. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Test0zero (talk • contribs) 18:28, 19 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

'Triquel'?

Though I'm familiar with the concept, I've never heard this word used before, and it seems very much like a neologism to me. Can someone provide reliable sources to show that this word is, in fact, really in use to describe second sequels? If not, I'd suggest replacing it with 'threequel' (which is also a neologism, but a considerably more common one) or just 'second sequel'. Terraxos (talk) 04:41, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. I've never heard the term "Triquel", but "Threequel" is a very common (albeit relatively new) term. Hell, the People's Choice Awards even uses "threequel" in the name of one of their awards. Also, a Google search brings up about 8K hits for "Triquel" and almost 29K for "Threequel". TJ Spyke 06:05, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Does this belong here at all?

It seems to be more appropriate, in its current form, for a series of definitions in an "urban dictionary", rather than an encyclopedia. Sinneed (talk) 03:53, 2 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I feel the same way. This seems more appropriate content for Wiktionary or some other site. This article feels like an unfortunate endorsement of jargon that writers should be trying to avoid if they are serious about writing encyclopedia quality articles that are understandable and accessible without requiring knowledge of the English language most native speakers don't even have. Move to Wiktionary? -- Horkana (talk) 00:32, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Clean up

I would love to delete the "Midquel" section (and a few others) but there's a note pointing out that an article with that name exists and redirects here. ("Midquel" redirects to this section; do not change this title without changing the redirect point as well) I suggest someone nominate that article for speedy deletion.

Additionally, I'd add a cleanup tag or two but don't know the format. --70.128.121.235 (talk) 07:32, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Every Section Using Unofficial Names Such as Midquel Should be Re-Worked

I'm sorry, Midquel is not a word. Any section that is not a real word (e.g. does not have an official entry in a dictionary or at least is a well known and accepted colloquialism) has no place in an encyclopedic article.

Midquel and Sidequel are the ones that stand out. Interquel and Threequel do in fact have entries with Websters so they can stay. 'Midquels' as the article puts it are already covered in concept with Interquels and Parallels. Sidquels are just called Side Stories. Other languages do have official worlds for this (i.e. Japanese uses Gaiden), but I do not think English does. Sidequel isn't a word.

I'd also go as far to say that the section Distant should be converted to a sub section of Sequel or Companion Piece. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.190.34.219 (talk) 04:05, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

list Midnight Sun as parallel?

Should that Twilight book that hasn't been written yet, Midnight Sun (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midnight_Sun_(novel)) be added under "parallel"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Web wonder (talk • contribs) 12:07, 26 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

excessive examples of interquel

We don't need so many examples of what an interquel is.. how about fixing it so that it's just like two or three examples.. star wars, metroid and godfather maybe.. by the time you get to street fighter it's just like, "I GET IT".. y'know? besides that, street fighter is a poor example because it's so idiotically numbered.