Talk:Black or White

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Comparison to The Beatles' "It's All Too Much"

The article states, that "The song's introduction and main riff is performed by guitarist Slash and is extremely similar to the start of The Beatles's It's All Too Much." - The comparison to The Beatles' song makes no sense at all. "extremely similar" is a subjective statement - and it doesn't sound like that song, IMHO. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.242.205.5 (talk) 07:10, 21 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

And the verse melody is exactly that of Duran Duran's "Rio". 76.105.157.77 (talk) 07:40, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Panther Sequence

Whoaaa... Back up a second here. I'm pretty sure the author has got this backwards, but I don't have a linnk to back it up. The original version had all the racist stuff, and then they were upset so they took it off the screen. That's why later versions, when they played it extended, looked really stupid, because he was just smashing things for no reason. That makes more sense than adding in the racist stuff after. - Darkhawk

LTB

The rap is apparently performed by "LTB". There appears to be zero information on the internet about who this is. Anyone know? --87.82.24.11 01:25, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

YouTube links

This article is one of thousands on Wikipedia that have a link to YouTube in it. Based on the External links policy, most of these should probably be removed. I'm putting this message here, on this talk page, to request the regular editors take a look at the link and make sure it doesn't violate policy. In short: 1. 99% of the time YouTube should not be used as a source. 2. We must not link to material that violates someones copyright. If you are not sure if the link on this article should be removed or you would like to help spread this message contact us on this page. Thanks, ---J.S (t|c) 05:12, 10 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merge

articles are about SONGS, not singles - remix article info should be moved into here.--Ericorbit (Note:Ashadeofgrey added this information from the history)

I support the proposed merge per nom.--Ashadeofgrey (talk • contribs) 22:56, 14 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merge complete.--200.32.222.2 01:34, 21 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Inspired by Queen's One Vision?

Can the main riff of Black or White be inspired by the Queen song One Vision? I haven't read anything about this on the net, but I think there's a striking resembelance between the main riff of Black or White, and the riff that Brian May plays at 1:25 in the song, right after Freddie Mercury has sung the line "I'm gonna tell you there's no black and no white". With that particular line of lyrics, and the similarity of the riffs, I really think this has to be more than mere coincidence.

Now, I know that MJ and Queen were good friends, so is it possible that MJ put this riff in his song as a small homage to Queen? It can't be the other way around, since One Vision was released in 1985. Any thoughts on this? Lappado 12:29, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fair use rationale for Image:Black or White.jpg

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Controversy section

The controversy section may be inaccurate. (version I'm referring to [1]) The Bart/Homer bit in particular is confusing. I'm pretty sure this was not in the original version and which version, if any it's referring to is confusing. It may be vandalism, it was added here [2]. Also, what the controversy was about is not particularly clear. Was it simply that the inclusion of symbols associated with racism was offensive to some, even if the reason was for the symbolic breaking of the symbols? Was it because of the zipping up scene? (Is this real? It was added by the person who added the Homer/Bart bit). Was the breaking of property seen as controversial even though the reason for the breaking was to destroy the racist symbols? It's not really clear what the controversy was about. This whole section is unsourced. Remember that for something to be controversial, there needs to be a reliable source which says it's controversial and preferbly why it's controversial as well. (Although the apology if sourced is probably sufficient to show there was a controversy since he wouldn't have apologised without any controversy) Nil Einne 11:48, 23 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The controversy is not about destroying racist graffiti, that's what was intended, but they didn't even put the graffiti on and it was just Michael destroying everything. Nobody understood why he was destroying everything and it just seemed to be violence for no reason. The other controversial part of the segment was that Michael's dancing was suggestive in that he grabs his crotch a lot and zips up his pants. I think he did apologize saying that he was trying to make the instincts of the black panther into a dance move. Frankyboy5 (talk) 03:08, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dubious

Michael Jackson asks him, "I am black or am I white?" When the officer responds, "You're under arrest." and handcuffs Michael, the pop star notes, "I guess I'm black.

I added the dubious tag because it sounds more likely he would have said "Am I black or am I white?" Rather then "I am black or am I white?" Nil Einne 11:52, 23 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

I believe that this page should be moved to Black or White, as the disambiguation page does not link to any other articles called Black or White. - ARC Gritt^TALK 19:14, 19 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Support Ewlyahoocom 06:58, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This page has been moved from Black or White (song) to Black or White as the result of an uncontroversial move request. Dekimasuよ! 09:48, 22 October 2007 (UTC) [reply]

Music Video section problems

In the Music Video section, the first line claims that the video was controversial, but the section never makes clear what the controversy was. There ought to be a couple of sentences describing the content that made it controversial and who was upset by the video, including references.

Also, the Synopsis section doesn't describe the whole video. It stops at "...Michael Jackson begins to sing Black or White, surrounded by various different cultures scene-by-scene." A synopsis ought to describe the remaining parts of the video as well - the fire part and the morphing. I know these parts are mentioned elsewhere in the article, but they ought to be described in the synopsis to make it complete. Perhaps the descriptions that soon follow the "The video today" heading should be moved up? And, I'm not sure that the "The video today" heading is adding anything to this section.

I think the Music Video section ought to have three parts:

Synopsis - describing the original version, Controversy - describing the controversy and edits made specifically because of the controversy, Alternate Versions - describing different versions in existence for whatever reasons

Other issues:

In what section of the video were "racist graffitis" added?

Why are parodies mentioned in the video section when there is a parody section farther down the article?

Thanks for all your hard work. :)

If a proper cite isn't added soon for the "racist graffiti," it will be removed. This is the kind of incendiary item that MUST include a proper cite. HelpnWP (talk) 20:57, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Videoclip

The videoclip can be seen in MTV page:

http://www.mtvmusic.com/video/?id=18164

The YouTube link on the article, doesn't work. --212.183.253.249 (talk) 23:42, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It seems you need to have (or fake) an American IP. Try googling for other sites. 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 22:41, 5 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A hard rock like "Beat It"

Michael Jackson is quoted in Rolling Stone magazine's Top 500 songs issue as saying of this, "I wanted to write the type of rock song that I would go out and buy. But also something totally different from the rock music I was hearing on Top 40 radio."

This is the link: http://www.songfacts.com/detail.php?id=459

Then Michael always wanted an innovative rock song or hard rock song. "Black or White" is a mix of hard rock, dance and rap, but basically it is a hard rock song like "Beat It".

Here's a list of books that the users should read about "Beat It" is a hard rock song: http://books.google.com/books?q=%22beat+it%22+%22hard+rock%22+%22michael+jackson%22&btnG=Search+Books

--Alexanderfriend (talk) 23:05, 24 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Peacock Words

Although a huge fan of this single, I have replaced the Peacock words 'Extraordinary' and 'Amazing' with 'Record Breaking' in the section 'Reception', 2nd para. Unlike the original text, the change I made is not subjective, and (handily) the original citation still applies. We can't just say things like this, no matter how extraordinary or amazing we feel a thing to be, or WP loses objectivity.

Incidentally I never bother watching pages; I'm not on a mission. I just correct as I read articles, if something is obviously wrong. If people change back an edit of mine, well, meh... life's too short to worry about it. And who am I to think I'm the final arbiter of good style & grammar anyway? lol. Change away, you won't get an edit war from me!

controersy segment

the last part of the controvery segemnt doesn't fit.it's rather about the technique that's used for the morphing heads. someone should clean that up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.51.154.43 (talk) 19:31, 12 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The actress who plays the mother: True Identity?

Surely the actress is Marcia Strassman, not Peggy Lipton as written in this article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.16.174.117 (talk) 17:58, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]