Talk:Omertà
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Omerta book?
Who added it? What is it? and when is the artical going to be created? Jman8088 15:37, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Don't erase info
Do not erase the definition of Omerta by Rick. He is a decendant of mafia members, and there are THREE references to the same thing.It may not be 100% a perfect defenetion it is a GERERALY ACCEPTED view of the topic. User:Jman8088 Dec. 27, 2006. 11:41
- I would be appreciated if you would temper your tone a bit. The fact that your contribution was removed indicates that it is not generally accepted. However, your intervention urged me to find a better definition. I have inserted a more academic one for the following reasons:
- as you indicate yourself it is not a 100% perfect definition;
- it is a very crude and oversimplified description of the phenomenon of omertà, inconsistent with the rest of the article which gives a much more nuanced description;
- there is no “law of omertà”; mafiosi do not make laws, they only break them;
- I can give you a dozen better definitions from more reliable sources than the ‘novel’ of ‘Rick’ (your definition reads more like an advertisement for a particular book);
- as you can see in the new version of the article, Porrello’s definition is not very original but goes back to one of the first Mafia researchers, Antonio Cutrera, a former officer of public security, in 1900.
- I kept Porrello’s definition as a “popular” one (and added the right reference for the book including the publisher, as well as the page were the definition can be found, as well as the right ISBN number, which apparently was too much trouble for you to do).
- I did remove the reference to the Lamb of God song. In a previous version of the article mentioning one heavy metal band led to an avalanche of other bands who yelled omerta in one of their songs. It does not add anything significant and I suggest you include it in the article about Lamb of God, where it is more appropriate. Thanks for your cooperation. - Mafia Expert 21:48, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
I understand your hesitation to The Pop. Ref., I'll regurally check it for vandilism or a massive influx of unneccisary references. Jman8088 15:36, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Who erased the omerta in popular culture?
It read:
In Popular Culture
The American metal band Lamb of God has a song by the title of "Omerta" (the lack of accent should be noted) that is about a break in "Omertà". The opening of the song contains a paraphrased version of Omertà.
"Omerta" was the title of episode 9 in series 3 of the TV show Millennium, which featured an executed mafioso found alive many years later, who remained silent on how he had survived.
Omerta is refered to in the Sopranos 6th season episode, "Johnny Cakes." It was brought up by Dr. Melfi's own psychiatrist, in reference to Tony Soprano remaining silent after being shot by Junior Soprano. She ultimately stated she did not believe it was due to Omerta, but rather "something else."
I think this should really be brought back, minus the lamb of god reference. 67.86.77.111 05:16, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
The pop culture section is back. Do not erase it. The LoG reference stands. They are a grammy-nominated band, and, therefore, reputable band. JMan8088 21:52, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Agreed. DChase1 00:28, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
Popular Culture once again added. DO NOT DELETE IT. --67.8.177.219 23:08, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
Popular Culture added, with links. Please do not delete. --173.64.90.216 (talk) 20:56, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
Suggest content to put in Omertà in context
It is a nonviolent resistance component of the criminal self-help that occurs as part of a resistance movement that rejects an authority for whatever reason.
The above sentence places this behavior in the context of similar human behavior such as POW's not talking to to their captors. The essence is not accepting an authority for whatever reason. Omertà differs from POW's not talking and other resistance to authority, but that is the class of human behavior it is a part of. WAS 4.250 (talk) 19:57, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
- Omerta is a law of silence that is forced upon a population under the dominion of a criminal society and not only concerns a code between criminals. It is imposed through the threat of violence and occasionally with violence to underline the fact that who breaks omerta will be killed. To call this nonviolent resistance and criminal self-help is complete nonsense. It also not rejects authority, on the contrary it is imposed by violent authority. Furthermore, you do not provide references for your statements. Conclusion: unreferenced nonsense. - Mafia Expert (talk) 20:39, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
- How about: "It is criminal self-help that occurs as part of resistance to an authority for whatever reason."
- My only concern here is to provide a conceptual context as in this human behavior fits in this class of human behaviors. I was thinking of Omertà more in terms of a specific individual rather than a group that enforces it, but you are right that calling it nonviolent is nonsense. WAS 4.250 (talk) 21:44, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
- I am sorry, but the criminal self help thing is not relevant. It is not self help but an imposed rule enforced by violence and has nothing to do with resistance. And you still have not provided a reference to back up your claim. An encyclopedia is not about what you think, but what is backed up by relevant sources. Otherwise it does not fall under NPOV. - Mafia Expert (talk) 01:26, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
External link error
The link on the main article that lists "Mafia Speak" as the target is incorrect.
http://www.madaboutbooks.com/CosaNostra/mafiaspeak.htm
this URL produces an error.