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Before these images are restored again, perhaps someone could answer the following questions:
Is there any source linking these images other than Wikipedia?
Is there any reliable source that references these images in relation to the concept of "new antisemitism"? The images are clearly anti-Semitic, but that's not the criterion for inclusion in this article.
Given that no-one raised objections for three months after the images were deleted, can it honestly be said that there is a consensus for inclusion?
would these be better? note the one of "peace activist Wendy Campbell" answering a reporters questions. The IHR is the Institute for Historical Review, the principle body of holocaust denial in the USA. At best only one image should be shown from the demo in san-francisco
I strongly believe that the image of a boy holding anti-semetic sign File:A boy with antisemetic sign.JPG should stay in the article. First of all it shows how easy it is to go from anti Israel signs to anti-semetic signs, and second it is showing how parents poison kids with hate lies from the early age.Thank you.--Mbz1 (talk) 21:51, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Exactly. Even the captions are slander. I've notified an admin, please do the same if you know one that specialises in images. ʄ!•¿talk?22:28, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Not only that, it's just an awful photo. Crappy lighting, you can barely read the sign and you can barely see what's going on. Plus, it's just a kid in a car, and there's nothing showing that it was taken at any kind of rally whatsoever. The file that it's connected to is another image of people in a car; you can't read the sign, and there are no protesters anywhere near the car. Who are these people? Nobody knows; these photos are borderline stalking, and they certainly don't do anything to help this article. csloat (talk) 22:33, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The photo is very good one. One could see the sign, but cannot see the face. Boy's privacy is protected. Besides I asked his mom, if I may take a picture, she said "yes" and told the boy to hold the sign higher.--Mbz1 (talk) 22:41, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Please provide a link to the signed contract you have with the mother for starters; even after that, I don't see how this photo is usable. I've reported it on files for deletion but I'm not sure if I've done that correctly since you uploaded it to the commons; hopefully an admin will step in to help out. csloat (talk) 22:46, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It will not be deleted. Trust me on this. There are thousands of the images from all kind of demonstrations with the people faces clearly seen.--Mbz1 (talk) 23:00, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
"All kinds of demonstrations"? This is a photo of a kid in a car. There's no demonstration or anything. It's also just a terrible photograph; if you want to showcase your amateur skills that's wonderful but please use a private website rather than an encyclopedia page to do so. Have you heard of flickr.com? They may have what you seek there. csloat (talk) 01:04, 16 January 2009 (UTC) Also, what specifically makes this image an illustration of "new antisemitism"? csloat (talk) 01:07, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
please look in the right hand corner to see the demonstration, the car and the kid with the sign together. So you agree that this is antisemitism you only do not agree that it is new antisemitism? Well, the image was taken 1/10/2009. Is it new enough for you? May I please ask you to stop discuss my photography skills? You simply look laughable. Thanks.--Mbz1 (talk) 02:10, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I can't see what value the image adds to the article. Does it explain the concept of new antisemitism in a way that the other images don't? I don't think it's necessary. And I don't think we want to start an edit war or another RfC over it. — [[::User:Malik Shabazz|Malik Shabazz]] ([[::User talk:Malik Shabazz|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Malik Shabazz|contribs]]) 03:48, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
I am not sure you read my comment.So here it is one more time: the image shows how easy it is to go from anti Israel signs to anti-semetic signs, and second it is showing how parents poison kids with hate lies from the early age.It is how the image adds value to the article.Thank you--Mbz1 (talk) 04:12, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Where in the article does it say that "new antisemitism" is about "easy" antisemitism or that it's about "parents poisoning kids"?? What does this image show that isn't covered by other images? And how does it help Wikipedia to have an image you can barely see anything in? Also, there is no evidence in the image presented that this is at any protest. Your assertion that another image is from the same place is not helpful as the other image isn't being introduced to the article. Finally, I missed where you gave us the link to the contract you have with the mother of the kid. Can you resend that link? Thanks! csloat (talk) 04:20, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I read your comment. It isn't clear what your comment has to do with the subject of this article, "new antisemitism". How does the picture "show how easy it is to go from anti Israel signs to anti-semetic [sic] signs"? It only shows a single sign. And, as csloat asked, what does "new antisemitism" have to do with "parents poisoning kids with hate lies from the early age [sic]"? — [[::User:Malik Shabazz|Malik Shabazz]] ([[::User talk:Malik Shabazz|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Malik Shabazz|contribs]]) 04:38, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
Please see the other version of the image at this very page. You see the anti Israel demonstration in the upper right corner. The car with the boy is a part of this demonstration. I took the image few days ago. Is old or new antisemetism? I'm saying that anti Israel demonstration often become anti Jews demonstration. There should be a pargraph in the article about this, not only one image. Would you rather have this image in the article (the image was not taken or uploaded by me) --Mbz1 (talk) 05:26, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
You're ignoring the question I asked: What do any of these pictures add to the article that the current pictures don't show concerning "new antisemitism"? — [[::User:Malik Shabazz|Malik Shabazz]] ([[::User talk:Malik Shabazz|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Malik Shabazz|contribs]]) 05:43, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
I agree but I don't know how to do that. I tried to do it on Wikipedia but it was the wrong forum; plus I was viciously attacked by another user for even suggesting that the image didn't belong on Wikipedia. It's really kind of ridiculous how explosive something as silly as removing a barely legible photo of a boy in a car can be. csloat (talk) 02:21, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I asked you a question a few days ago that you still haven't answered. What does your picture add to the article that the current pictures don't show concerning "new antisemitism"? — [[::User:Malik Shabazz|Malik Shabazz]] ([[::User talk:Malik Shabazz|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Malik Shabazz|contribs]]) 19:52, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
I answered. you do not want to hear it. The image shows how easy it is to go from anti Israel signs to anti-semetic signs, and second it is showing how parents poison kids with hate lies from the early age.It is how the image adds value to the article and it is why it is new antisemetism. --Mbz1 (talk) 20:25, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
You have not answered. Can you please indicate where in the article "new antisemitism" is defined as "how easy it is to go" from one sign to another, or about "how parents poison kids"? And, seriously, even if you could, this photo is useless for this page as it is barely legible. We already have a photo showing that there are antisemites at left-wing protests who equate Israel with Nazism. That one is at least tangentially connected to the points made in the article. This one is just a photo of a boy in a car. Seriously, use flickr or something if you just want people to see your photos, or send them to zombietime! According to the link you sent, he posts photos other people send him, so perhaps he will want to use your dark photo of the boy in the car. Cheers, csloat (talk) 20:33, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
article is too long
I think this article is too long and too much devoted to showboating the opinions of a few academics.
Lord Janner of Braunstone gave evidence regarding antisemitic remarks made to him in Parliament. After the arrest of Saddam Hussein, another peer approached him and said: "We've got rid of Saddam Hussein now. Your lot are next." When asked what she meant by "your lot," she replied: "Yes, you cannot go on killing Palestinians forever, you know." Oona King, former MP for Bethnal Green and Bow, gave evidence that many of her former constituents told her they could not vote for her because she was funded by the Israeli Secret Service.[48]
This article is for discussion of the concept of antisemitism. It is not a list of antisemetic incidents. Reference to members of the British government gives the misleading impression of systemic or institutional antisemitism in the United Kingdom. As this is not proven, the inclusion here is undue weight.
Further, the mean head is "International Perspectives". In the example of UK, the British All-Party Parliamentary Inquiry into Antisemitism is relevant - specific isolated incidents of anti-semitism are not. Please see the entries for France, Israel, and the USA - they do not mention incidents of anti-semitism in the government, but rather the political and social enquiries into the matter.
This article contains too much of the he-said, she-said of opinion columns. I have started a section devoted to Research on the new Anti-semitism that has been publishedin peer-reviewed journals.Historicist (talk) 20:45, 8 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Although the two academic studies referenced under this title are worthy of inclusion, I don't think it's appropriate to portray them as any sort of definitive statement on the subject. "Research in peer-reviewed journals" is clearly an inappropriate title. CJCurrie (talk) 22:22, 8 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sure the articles make some valid points, but that's not the issue here. My point is that it's not appropriate to use these two academic articles as a definitive statement on a subject as complex as "new anti-Semitism". To respond to your second point, I'm certain that these two articles aren't important enough to mention on line 38; if you can think of a better place for the section, please suggest it. CJCurrie (talk) 23:13, 8 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. The nature of science (and especially social science) is such that no single experiment or observation instantly creates a scientific consensus. Such results should certainly be included, but they should be presented as what they are: points of information, not definitive and unassailable conclusions. --FOo (talk) 16:09, 9 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yesterday we had a fine example of wikipedia no-nothingism. Two well-designed academic studies were published establishing not only that there a link between anti-Semitism and anti-Israel attitudes and activism, (the studies show that people with anti-Israel opinions, people who would never utter an anti-Semitic word and who deny being at all anti-Semitic, harbor deeply anti-Semitic attitudes,) but that anti-Israel rhetoric demonstrably leads to anti-Semitic attitudes and incidents. I attempted to add a sentence, (differently tailored sentences) to four or five articles that contain lengthy sections on the argument over whether there is a link between anti-Semitism and anti-Israel rhetoric. CJCurrie followed me around and removed the sentences from all but one article. I do not know if CJCurrie is such a person, but there are some people who cannot bear to see actual evidence that contradicts their deary-held beliefs. The pity is that quite a few of them edit Wikipedia.Historicist (talk) 14:14, 9 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
There is no need to attack other editors. Please continue the discussion above with a view towards consensus, rather than towards finding ways to condemn other editors. --FOo (talk) 16:02, 9 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
