Talk:Brooke Shields

However, while much of the plot and content of the movie were sexual in nature, the scenes in which Shields appeared nude were rather benign.

"Benign"? This is a point of view, yes? Not having seen the film, I have no opinion on the matter, but in any case, this statement is editorial opinion, and should be replaced by references to what known critics have said. -- Oliver P. 00:39 7 Jun 2003 (UTC)

This film and its critics were only scorned in the US, it had a worldwide distribution and was looked upon favorably around the world. Having seen the film, the nude scenes were incidental indeed (as critics have pointed out).

The bigger point is the controversy which lead up to the making of the film, a lengthy Supreme Court battle over the pictures from a series by photographer Garry Gross, which depicted Shields in very erotic nude poses at the age of 10. One photograph from this series, in the Musuem of Modern Art was auctioned for an amount close to 1 million dollars. Though she was a model even as an infant ...this was the actual start of her career.

Real Name

Brooke's first name is not Crista. Brooke is her first name and Crista is her middle name. See her IMDb listing, http://www.angelfire.com/celeb2/super_models/Brooke_Shields/bio.html, and http://www.cinemotions.com/modules/Artistes/fiche/18691/Brooke-Shields.html . Brookenook Bio

Images

You cant use these images here for that purpose. Read Wikipedia:Fair use - you can only use them to comment on the particular magazine cover as fair use, not just because you have no free picture. Justinc 12:27, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

That elephantine article makes no sense. What makes a lot more sense is the tag on both those photos. Those picture are free advertisements for those magazines. Mind your own business. Wahkeenah 12:29, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

Copyright law may or may not make sense to you. It matters to wikipedia. Fair use only applies to very restricted circumstances, when you are commenting on the copyrighted image specifically. Just copying it in is not fair use. Justinc 12:33, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

Is it your avowed intention to wade through all the thousands of articles and delete all the thousands of covers and videtapes, DVDs and magazines which contain tags asserting that they ARE FAIR USE, even if YOU don't think they are??? Wahkeenah 12:36, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

Not at all. The images can be used in a fair use way. Just some of them aren't. I know it is a big task, but someone has to start on it sometime. The magazine covers are the ones used in ways furthest from fair use - using a DVD cover to illustate the specific film is fine for example. As is List_of_people_in_Playboy_1970-1979 I think too. Justinc 12:40, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

Whether it's a DVD cover, a videotape cover or a magazine cover, it still serves as free advertising for the object in question, and thus is not harmful and is very likely helpful to the copyright owner, and that's one thing in that fair use megillah that does make sense. So this complaint of yours appears to be largely YOUR PERSONAL OPINION. FYI, I did not even put the "magazine cover" tag on the photo, that was done by User:*drew, who apparently agrees with me that it IS fair use. You seem to think you know something he doesn't know. So take your complaints to him and leave me out of it. Wahkeenah 12:45, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

Brookenook Bio

The entry Wikipedia:Fair use specifically lists "An image of a magazine cover, used only to illustrate the article on the person whose photograph is on the cover." as a counterexample. You cannot use these images the way you do. Hektor 18:02, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Third opinion

I'm not sure if Hektor came here because of the listing on third opinion, but he's entirely right. Wikipedia:Fair use says exactly that, therefore these are not examples of valid fair use. --Varco 07:57, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Additionally, see Wikipedia:Publicity photos. Using a publicity photo for identification of the subject constitutes fair use. --Varco 08:01, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

The Guideposts cover is connected with the post-partum depression section, which according to Hektor's interpretation of the rules should qualify as fair use. Wahkeenah 09:19, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

What Hektor said was simply a counter-example; magazine cover art qualifies as fair use "for identification and critical commentary" of the magazine in question, and nothing beyond that. This is also stated in the copyright template for magazine covers, which is included in the images in question. (For reference, it's Template:Magazinecover) --Varco 01:27, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Then he needs to get busy and delete every book, magazine, CD and DVD cover in this so-called encylopedia, because 99% of it is going to be used for illustration rather than for "identification and critical commentary" of the object itself. So, how many suits have been filed against wikipedia by companies to whom we've provided this free advertising? Wahkeenah 02:07, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Critic of Scientology

Due to the whole spat between Tom Cruise and Brook Shields I recomend that we add her to the list of Critics of Scientology. The Fading Light 8:34, 26 March 2006

• Is she really a critic of scientology? I thought she was just reacting to Tom Cruise's offensive and none-of-his-business comments, not criticizing scientology itself. Wahkeenah 16:16, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
• But the reason nutty old' Tom made this an issue in the first place is because of his beliefs in Scientology, so at most she would be an indirect critic of Scientology. The Fading Light 7:34, 26 March 2006
• If you can find anything with her specifically criticizing scientology, that's one thing. But she was upset by what Cruise said, and the fact that scientology was the reason he said it was secondary. He could just as easily have been a Christian Scientist or an organic farmer. It was his comments that got under her skin, not his so-called religion. Wahkeenah 04:15, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
• It might be fair to call her a "critic of one scientologist", which seems like a rather narrow category, although it would now include the writers for South Park also. Wahkeenah 04:29, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Geneology

Note that here she's listed as a 2nd cuz once removed of Glenn Close, but Glenn close is listed as a 1st cuz once removed of Brooke. 68.1.129.20 09:44, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Is that incredibly detailed geneology about each and every single one of her ancestors necessary? Also, I am deleting every single X-American category at the bottom of this list, pending a reliable source that calls Brooke Shiels that particular X-American (i.e. Shields herself, not her great-great-grandmother, etc. etc. ) Mad Jack 02:24, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

And outrageous text like "whole mess of early New England settlers, the royal houses of virtually every European country". Plus, I love how some brilliant editor put her in the "Arab Americans" category, probably because the article says that she may be descended from Mohammed himself! The editor with the gal to do that gets a barnstar from me any day of the week. Mad Jack 02:27, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Eddie Murphy once called Brooksie "the whitest woman in America". Maybe someone's just trying to prove it. Wahkeenah 02:28, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

LOL! I didn't know that. Heck, you should put that in the article, right at the top of the geneology section. "Murphy called her the whitest woman in American, and indeed Shields descends from white people of all creeds, religions and colors" :) Mad Jack 02:30, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

I would, if I could find a source for it. However, maybe I could, if I looked. I'll get back to you. :) Also, I like Brooke, so if I post it I'll assume Eddie meant it with affection. Wahkeenah 02:33, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

The first source I found [1] has some popups, so I don't know if you want to be clicking on it. However, it has that quote. It's actually taken a little out of context, as it's really lampooning Michael Jackson, and how he is (or at least was) acceptable to the white public, thus it was OK with the white public when he escorted her to an awards show. It's from Eddie Murphy: Raw, so I think I'll cite that film and be done with it. Wahkeenah 02:39, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

OK, I added something about it. Let me know what you think. Wahkeenah 02:44, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, I was semi-kidding. I thought it might be cute to add that line somewhere. I moved it down below closer to the geneology. Mad Jack 02:54, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Of course it is necessary including her genealogy, she´s the only actual american entreteiner with strong relation with european nobility, she and actress Catherine Oxenberg, that´s a worthy note.

So is the Mash and Boston Legal actor Rene Auberjonois, he is directly descended from Joachim Murat,King of Naples and the two Sicilies and his wife Caroline Bonaparte, sister of Napoleon.Gaelic Rules (talk) 18:17, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

I too wondered what the point of all that genealogy info was. Most readers looking for "Personal Information," I would imagine, would be more interested in her life story. I'd kind of like to know what the heck her mother was thinking letting her star in "Pretty Baby," for example. As for the Eddie Murphy comment, whatever he may have meant by it, I take it as a compliment to white women.66.44.102.11 (talk) 12:49, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Five Popes

She's descended from five Popes? May I ask what happened to celibacy? Michael 03:05, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

• I think some of the early Popes were married and/or had children. However, I that was likely a joke entry that slipped by us... probably at the same time someone added "a whole mess of..." whatever. I'll see what I can do about finding it and weeding it. Wahkeenah 03:14, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
• This section was posted by a jokester, the last entry on July 3, lifted directly from the cited article, which is apparently somewhat of a spoof. It be gone now.:

She is also the descendant of Catherine de Medici, Lucrezia Borgia, Charlemagne, El Cid, William the Conquerer, King Harold (vanquished by William at the Battle of Hastings), five popes, a whole mess of early New England settlers, the royal houses of virtually every European country, the Renaissance pundit Niccolo Machiavelli, conquistador Hernando Cortes, Italian princess Marina Torlonia, and King Edward III of England. She may be a descendent of Mohammad and his sons and daughers carried through the European line. (see[2])

Wahkeenah 03:20, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. Michael 03:25, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

I have heard before that she was indeed descended from Lucrezia Borgia,daughter of Pope Alexander and definately Marina Torlina,but are any of the rest true?,the mohammed1 sounds the most unbelievable and i would doubt very much that it was true.But what articles has whole mess in itGaelic Rules (talk) 18:17, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

"Brooke nook"?

Brooke nook or, in its diminutive form, "Brookie nookie". Wahkeenah 20:12, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Postpartum depression

Shields responded to a further attack by Cruise in an essay published in The New York Times on July 1, 2005, in which she made a scientific and individual case for the medication (see [3]).

Can someone explain this to me? Isn't it just an op-ed? I don't see any scientific citations or references, so I don't see how this is a "scientific and individual case". Please enlighten me. (On this page if possible, not on my Talk page - though you can certainly leave a message there telling me someone has clarified this for me -- maybe I'm just tired right now) 69.124.143.230 04:14, 9 September 2006 (UTC) Don't mean to come off as biased or stand-offish or anything, I just think the wording is a little biased. (and fixed a typo) 69.124.143.230 19:53, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

If you check out the post partum depression wiki, they reference research that shows that there is no proof that hormonal changes are what cause PPD. From what I understand, there is no scientific literature that says depression is a chemically caused condition. It's caused by a variety of factors, and the drugs are acting in essentially the same way as cocaine. They block the pre-synaptic membrane so there is less reuptake, and the neurotransmitters have a greater effect. In my own un-medical opinion, depression is just a weakness that can be beaten with willpower and help from friends. 70.231.232.70 19:07, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Lack of references. Biased opinions and evident intentionality.

I decided to eliminate the following. I considere necessary to cite accurately -if there is any - the assumptions these paragraph is presenting.

"Actor/comedian Eddie Murphy, in his concert film, Eddie Murphy: Raw, called Shields "the whitest woman in America". Her paternal grandparents are Francis Xavier Shields, a tennis star of Irish descent, and Italian princess Donna Marina Torlonia di Civitella-Cesi, who was a sister of Don Alessandro Torlonia, 5th Prince di Civitella-Cesi, husband of the spanish Infanta Doña Beatriz de Borbón y Battenberg (aunt of King Juan Carlos I of Spain). Their granddaughter, Sibilla Weiller (b. 1968), Brooke's cousin, married Prince Guillaume of Luxembourg (b. 1963), the youngest brother of Henri, Grand Duke of Luxembourg, in 1994.

Through her Italian grandmother, Shields is a descendant of Lucrezia Borgia, Holy Roman Emperor Charles V, Honoré I of Monaco and Henry IV of France. Shields is "a 23rd generation descendant of Francesco I Gattilusio, the founder of the Lesbian Gattilusii dynasty," according to the monograph "The Lesbos Island Ancestors of Prince Rainier of Monaco, Dr. Otto von Habsburg, Brooke Shields, and the Marquis de Sade."[1]

Through her Irish grandfather, the branch of the Shields family from which Brooke Shields descends, traces its ancestry to William Shields, born 1600, at Lough Neagh in County Armagh and killed in County Antrim in 1655. He had four sons, William, James, Daniel, and John. William & James were deported by Cromwell to Barbados in 1655 (they may have been conscripted to serve in the invasion of Spanish America — the “Western Design” that collapsed at Hispaniola in that year). Both relocated to Middle Plantation (now Williamsburg, Virginia) in 1658 as indentured servants. James and his descendents became tavern-keepers. Shields Tavern is a restored public house in Colonial Williamsburg. John Shields, the gunsmith of the Lewis & Clark expedition was of this line as was United States President John Tyler through his mother. William migrated to Kent County, Maryland where he gave rise to the prominent Tennessee political clan, the New Orleans family of white jazz musicians. The third brother, Daniel, was a Catholic partisan who would die in the Battle of the Boyne in 1690. His son, one of the Wild Geese, associated with the Spanish and wound up in Cuba as governor general. Other descendents include the Civil War General James Shields, who would become U.S. Senator in three different states. The youngest of the four sons, John (born 1650), died on his voyage to America in 1732. His son William Shields was fostered by the Kent County, Maryland cousins and would found Emmitsburg, Maryland. Among many notable descendents were Arthur Shields, a controversial 19th-century Presbyterian, who was expelled from Princeton University and from this branche belongs Brooke Shields."

Hangyakusha 05:41, 24 October 2006 (UTC) Rebelde

Italian american list

she isn't in the list...

filmography order

The list of films she's been in is listed in descending order by date, but the TV show list is in ascending order. Shouldn't they organized consistently? --PseudoChron 17:51, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Corrected "tv" ----> "TV" on the 1st paragraph

Kvsh5 (talk) 13:33, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Missing

The article does not at all mention photographer Garry Gross' controversial nude photographs of ten-year-old Brooke Shields, which later led to several lawsuits (cf. Richard Prince). That may not be the single most important aspect of her career, but it came even before Pretty Baby and may be one of the reasons she was cast for that film. One would expect those photos to be mentioned in a comprehensive biographic article about Brooke Shields. --Rosenzweig (talk) 15:19, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

What about the book with the book "The Girl In Room 9"?

It was availabe from playboy press an it was about a brothel and they had a little girl and they used the gary gross images(I could be wrong) to depict her I don't think this has anything to do with pretty baby but from it they might have cast her. please reply to me at qanda666@yahoo.com if you know what I am talking about.