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The article says passing the amendment 'enables' ratification of the treaty of Lisbon. This implies the action is not yet taken, but is now possible. Is that right, or has the amendment, in fact, ratified the Treay, and the word 'enable' is the wrong one? 173.13.153.50 (talk) 22:57, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Name

In the 'Reaction' section of this article more weight is placed on the No side reaction than on the Yes side reaction. However the Yes side won the elecion by a margin of over 2:1. It was represented by more groups than discussed in the article. Surely reaction from the civic groups should be included. The reactions of trade unions such as SIPTU, ICTI, IBEC and the IFA, the community groups, and some of the leading economists' reactions should be included. As seen as the more controversial parties such as UKIP are included on the No side perhaps Ryanair and Michael O'Leary should be included on the Yes side. I tried editing the article by adding quotes from the IFA and IBEC that stated their respective reactions to beef up the Yes side reactions from the Irish Times but I don't know how to make references. Perhaps someone would be as kind to inform me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kingdave84 (talk • contribs) 03:19, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Wouldn't this be a "twenty-eighth" amendment, too, as the previous attempt at a twenty-eighth amendment didn't pass? —Nightstallion 19:32, 18 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I think you're right. For example, there is Third Amendment of the Constitution of Ireland Bill, 1958 and Third Amendment of the Constitution of Ireland Bill, 1968. Snappy (talk) 23:31, 18 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Actually the numbering refers to the bills not the changes, so every new bill has a new number see Amendments to the Constitution of Ireland#List of failed amendments Bogger (talk) 12:09, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Unless I have misunderstood, my understanding is that that only applies when they are put to the people simultaneously (i.e. the succeeding numbers are passed, and so their names are set in stone). Though I stand to be corrected. - EstoyAquí(t • c • e) 23:12, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Bill as introduced is the 28th, not the 29th. (I am in Leinster House right now and have the bill before me.) 213.94.210.30 (talk) 12:25, 8 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Why are these small samples being used to suggest public opinion has changed. This is a biased article and I dispute the facts presented. The samples are too small to draw any conclusions. A ridiculous article and I would like to see fantasy seperated from fact. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.218.233.75 (talk) 12:42, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've added the latest opinion poll which shows a slip in the yes support...but as the above comment points out they are small samples. I had to get a reference for the sample size of this poll as mainstream Irish news didn't give this info...

"The mainstream Irish news didn't give this info". Try front page of todays Irish Times! [1]. Try harder! Snappy (talk) 00:11, 5 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

UKIP

I have changed this to Europe of Freedom and Democracy (EFD group in the European Parliament), Nigel Farage made it quite clear he was there on behalf of the EFD group, the leaflet that they sent out to homes in Ireland was also from EFD, not UKIP. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.225.137.44 (talk) 17:06, 3 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Problem on the pie chart

The pie chart says

  • For = 67.13%
  • Against = 32.87%
  • Spoilt = 0.40%

The total is over 100! (100.40%) The problem is that the 'spoilt' percentage is percentage of all casted votes, whereas 'For' and 'Against' are percentage of the total votes taken account (casted minus spoilt). So it doesn't really make much sense. I would suggest simply removing the spoilt percentage.

laug (talk) 04:06, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]


I believe I have solved you problem. 212.2.173.243 (talk) 09:21, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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