Talk:Blackened (song)

Move?

The following is a closed discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was no consensus to move. There is no clear consensus that the metallica song is enough of a "well-known primary topic" (see WP:PRIMARYTOPIC) and the argument that the form is a past tense of the word blacken is persuasive .... --RegentsPark (sticks and stones) 20:38, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

• Blackened (song) → Blackened — This is the only entry listed on the disambiguation page Blackened that is not simply a partial title match. As there are no other articles which could be called "Blackened", the qualifier is unnecessary. Neelix (talk) 15:53, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
• Oppose: Page Blackened is not a redirect but a disambig of 3 choices, and "blackened" is also the past form of "to blacken", and I do not see that a routine pop music song is dominant over all these. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 22:17, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Page Blacken and various suffixed forms of it exist and redirect to Black oxide (a metal surface treatment), which hatlinks to The Blackening (a music band) and black (the color). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:40, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
• Support per nom. The other two choices do not belong on the dab page per MOS:DAB and there is no article "to blacken". Station1 (talk) 05:48, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Not to mention that "blackened death metal" doesn't even have its own page. Jafeluv (talk) 08:10, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
• Support. Clear primary topic. The disambig page contains exactly one choice named "Blackened". No need to disambiguate from Blackened fish, since I don't assume it's all that plausible that a reader looking for that article is going to type in "blackened". We have no article for the word "to blacken", since we're not a dictionary. Jafeluv (talk) 08:10, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
• Support. Per nominator. Aubergine (talk) 03:29, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
• Oppose. "Blackened" is a common term to describe a type of preparation of many foods, probably a more common usage than this band. Just because "blackened" is only a part of a longer term doesn't mean it's inappropriate for a disambiguation page...the whole point of DAB is to help reader find intended content from an incorrect or less specific search. I honestly have no idea why it is so hard to find the food-prep unless you already know that the only relevant entry is "blackened fish" (not any other animal--blackened chicken and shrimp are pretty common too, but they're discussed on the Cajun cuisine page, and they're not even cajun cuisine!--and not any other conjugation of the verb). I added a note about this to Blackened, so even if it moves to "(disambiguation)" readers can still find by searching. DMacks (talk) 05:58, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
  • I encourage you to look at the page view statistics. Blackened (song) has about 2700 views per month, while Blackening has about 200 and blackened fish about 850. Considering that most of those looking for blackened fish will actually type in "blackened fish" instead of just the first word, it's pretty clear in my opinion that the song is primary topic and should be in the disambiguated title. Correct me if I missed something. Jafeluv (talk) 18:30, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
    • 1287 Black oxide, where "blackened"/"blackening" can stand alone rather than being a multi-word term. Assuming people will search directly for "blackened fish" bothers me...I'd never thought to look for a page on "blackened fish" in particular, given it's just one example of a general idea (Prudhomme himself advertises 3 different "Blackened ___" meats on his website). Wish we knew what the 1545 Blackened hits actually meant to find. DMacks (talk) 18:56, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
• Info: I have text-merged Blackened to Blackening. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 10:15, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
• Support as nominator - It is worth mentioning that all incoming entries for Blackened refer to the song by Metallica, none referring to anything else. While "blackened" could refer to the two concepts in chemistry and cooking, the primary article is the song. Anything else should be linked via hatnote. Neelix (talk) 17:17, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
  • I don't think using incoming-link counts for a dab page is a good gauge of WP:PRIMARYTOPIC...editors might know the specific target and link there directly. To add to your data, I find 3 links to Blackened (song) (add that to the 7 to Blackened expecting the song topic you mentioned), 3 links to Blackened fish, and 6 to Black oxide (target of Blackening (chemistry) redirect). I didn't look at the few hundred to Cajun cuisine to know if any of those should actually point to the fish article (since blackening is actually distinct from cajun). Does not seem an overwhelming primary meaning for song. After this is all done, I'm going to reverse the Blackened fish→Blackening (cooking) redirect since it's a general technique now of which fish is one substrate, (and get it out of cajun, since it's not:). DMacks (talk) 18:30, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
• Support - I agree with the song "Blackened" being the main article named "Blackened". As far as my knowledge goes, there isn't really any other article that is named "Blackened". Backtable^{Speak to Me}about what I have done 19:25, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Unclarity

There are several sentences that seem to need clarification:

• "Blackened was one of the first songs that Metallica pointed into a darker genre, which is what they are recognized for today." In what kind of darker genre? And in which respect are they recognized for a "darker genre" today? Totally obscure to me.
• I'm not a native English speaker, but this sentence sounds odd to me: "Jason even wanted the beginning of the song be played normally, but the song later reversed the track in the final mix." The song _reversed_ the track? Shouldn't it read "but for the song the track was later reversed in the final mix"? And what's the function of "even" here? "Even" as in "he even wanted it played normally, further pointing Metallica into a darker genre"?
• "Minor parts being in 5/4": In fact, there only a few individual transitional measures in 5/4 time, not whole parts. There are also single measures in 2/4, 3/4, and 13/8. ;)

--93.104.125.195 (talk) 20:41, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

You are right. What 'darker genre'? Metallica's lyrics and songs have always been 'dark'.--80.133.163.63 (talk) 11:08, 10 November 2009 (UTC)