Talk:Baldness

grrrrr

all my contributions are being deleted for some odd reason. i wrote a perfectly reasonable item in the trvia section about russian leaders being bald or hairy, but its been deleted! its a bit of trivia and slighly amusing, it cant do any harm can it?

another npov thing

Some of them are proud to be bald, sharing the charisma of famous film actors, such as Yul Brynner, Telly Savalas and Patrick Stewart, who have been considered handsomely distinctive, virile and epitomizing masculinity, in part, because of their baldness.

Should be changed from non-NPOV to some kind of mild positive slant...but how? Dreamyshade 10:53, 11 Sep 2004 (UTC)

reference?

"Factors such as a regular lack of sufficient sleep can trigger the onset of hair loss in individuals who are genetically prone to the condition."

interesting, but i'd like a reference... - Omegatron 18:30, Oct 19, 2004 (UTC)

feminine

"Bald men are more "virile" or sexually active than others."

Like in the above cases, further counterexamples can be found, such as bald men with feminine behavior etc.

so females are not sexually active? not really a good counterexample. it should mention that the myth stems from the fact that baldness is caused by androgens.

Well...the intention wasn't to say that females are not sexually active, but rather that the myth wants bald men to behave in a more "virile" manner than non-bald men, while this is not scientifically proven. The phrase "Sexually active" in this case means almost exclusively "virile" or "active" sexuality (not including passive gay sexuality etc.)

EpiVictor 09:07, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)

heredity

apparently it is a myth that baldness is inherited from the mother's side of the family. this should be added by someone who knows the facts.

http://nj.essortment.com/malepatternbal_rcad.htm - "Male Pattern Baldness is hereditary, you get it from your mother! The explaination is genetic and linked to your mother's X-Chromosome. There is also an explaination of how your mother got the gene!"

http://www.hairlosstalk.com/newsletter/article243.htm - "It’s an enduring and common misconception among patients that MPB is ‘inherited from the mother’s side’. Well, that statement is neither right nor wrong. Pattern baldness can be inherited from the mother’s side. But it can also be inherited from the father’s side."

http://www.shands.org/health/information/article/003246.htm - "A man can ingerit baldness from either hes father or hes mother." :-)

http://www.shands.org/health/information/article/003246.htm - "Baldness is determined by multiple genetic factors. It is not always true that baldness follows the mother's line or anyone else's, or that it skips generations."

can anyone find anything authoritative? - Omegatron 19:34, Jan 30, 2005 (UTC)

Here's a pubmed citation laying out how baldness in the patrilineal line is correlated with baldness in an individual ( baldness in the matrilineal bloodline is also still an indicator ) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15237265&query_hl=7 --Wiserd 10:52, 11 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Extreme/unfounded statements

The accusation of stereotpying for the racial/ethnic differences in hair-growth/maintenance patterns is almost definitely disprovable with scientific research. Can someone add some counter-arguments please? 70.57.137.163 05:47, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC) [Dpr]

copy vio

Did anyone get permission to use this on wikipedia. bakuzjw (aka 578) 13:56, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

It's a Wikipedia mirror, see bottom of page. -83.129.31.42 15:22, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Treatment products

I think we should move the treatment products section to it's own page, leaving only a summary on this page of the treatment scene. It's a specialized subtopic not relevant to many readers of this article.--Nectarflowed ^(talk) 03:33, 2 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. This also needs more on the medical explanation(s) for baldness; currently there's only one short paragraph in the lead. —Charles P. (Mirv) 13:43, 14 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Interresting

very interresting article. congratulations. I've heard about a women and a bald gorilla. The women treated the gorilla with some plants (that I dont know what), and the gorilla became very hairy and the scientists started investigations about that. I think it was in the UK. Do you know something about this? --Pedro 09:21, 3 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Merge

I support the merge, and would favour "baldness" as the title, with alopecia as the medical synonym. A systematic rewrite of both pages would be immensely helpful. JFW | T@lk 09:27, 6 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The merge is a good idea because this really is the same topic with the common name and the scientific name. I would like to see much time spent to explaining the natural ways to prevent hairloss - I could help with that. Whoever is in charge of this merge/redo, let me know if you need help Staypuftman 21:00, 5 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I have now merged alopecia into this article. The old one is availble at Alopecia/History1, and is a candidate for speedy deletion. Brisvegas 02:37, 10 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Links

I don't think the link to "End Baldness Now" (or something about some natural hair remedy) should be removed from the article, as it is pushing a product

You are free to do so. The whole page needs a big clearout. JFW | T@lk 16:28, 16 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Psychological impact

This article is about the psychological impact of alopecia. It is not specific as to which type of alopecia. JFW | T@lk 18:30, 23 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Percentages

It is characterized by hair receding from the lateral sides of the forehead, known as "receding hairline" or "receding brow." An additional bald patch may develop on top (vertex).

Is there any known percentages of how much, or to what degree, male pattern lateral hair loss additionally includes hair loss at the vertex? Percentages of which comes first, or how far back lateral hair loss goes on average without hair loss on the vertex of the head? 67.5.213.93 05:45, 19 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

mechanisms for MPB

I've just added some text on the mechanisms which underlie baldness. I'm rather new to wikipedia. I think that some of the links that I added as 'news' might be better as references instead. I wanted to demonstrate how baldness was linked to insulin resistance, metabolic syndrome, diabetes, coronary artery disease and similar health problems. I also wanted to help clarify the strong connection between androgenic alopecia and lifestyle, which is often overlooked. The exact developmental period where MPB can be avoided or delayed if lifestyle is altered is still unclear. The incidence of MPB in Japan since WWII is the perfect example of lifestyle influencing MPB. The genetics of that nation didn't change, but the incidence of MPB increased radically along with their increased consumption of fatty foods and a general increase in the number of calories in their diet. --Wiserd 11:12, 11 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Well, firstly don't forget WP:CITE. Women with PCOS often have balding male relatives. So there is something there. It's probably more than just androgen levels. JFW | T@lk 13:24, 11 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry. My citations were sloppy. I should clean things up. As for women with PCOS often having balding male relatives, that's certainly interesting. I didn't know that. I tend to come at medicine from the chemistry end of things. Is there a chance that women who have PCOS and higher androgen levels are more likely to be diagnosed with PCOS, creating a bias in diagnosed cases? Are you're saying that the stuff I put up regarding androgen levels in women with PCOS is misleading and I should remove it? As I said earlier, I'm a newbie here so just let me know what I need to work for and I'll work towards that. I just want to see this article discuss mechanisms and lifestyle related to MPB more than it did previously. As with many traits, environment plays almost as much of a role as genetics does.

I'd like to establish that insulin is related to SHBG is related to free testosterone is related to DHT levels in the scalp, and help give some background for why premature balding might be an indicator for various metabolic problems. If you have any suggestions for how I can tighten up this point, or how many citations I need to back it up, and what type of citations would be most solid please let me know.

--Ryan Wise 21:51, 11 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]