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Cindy the Dolphin

Nonsense, even if it is true, though Google indicates the dolphin's name is probably Sendy. User:Zoe|(talk) 22:37, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Strong Keep . Firstly, there are two spellings of the name but the most commonly used one is Cindy. Article is notable as it's the first dolphin to marry a human, thus makes it notable enough for wikipedia. Other articles such as the monkey hanger are strange but are rightly included in wikipedia. Google News Search Englishrose 22:43, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete probable hoax this is only mentioned on one blog so not verifyable --Pboyd04 23:22, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete tabloid-column-filling ephemera that is not encyclopedic . Sliggy 23:29, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Sliggy, unless this becomes wildly more notable in the next few days. bikeable (talk) 00:39, 31 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment Define notability? Gaining television media coverage from the BBC and NBC. Gaining coverage from many tabloids and broadsheet newspapers? Does that not make it notable? Englishrose 18:39, 31 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Keep It absolutely happened and if marrying a dolphin isnt notable, then I just give up! Jcuk 10:37, 31 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • The human married the dolphin, but did the dolphin marry the human? A human marrying or claiming to marry a dolphin is notable only for its unusual form of stupidity. Since human stupidity is so common though (in all forms), I don't think we need to add it to Wikipedia which is about the sum of human knowledge. GestaltG 21:09, 31 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
      • It’s irrelevant whether the dolphin agreed to the marriage because the marriage is legal in Israel. It is the first marriage to be legal between a human and a dolphin anywhere in the world, that itself makes it notable enough for wikipedia regardless of the morals of it and the human’s stupidity.Englishrose 14:25, 1 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete The concept of marrying a dolphin is utter nonsense. To rephrase it as "a dolphin marrying a human" is even more nonsense, since it indicates some kind of voluntary act on the part of the dolphin, which we can never verify because we cannot talk to dolphins. If this stood as an article, then someone could get an article by marrying their dog. The only thing notable about that is the petty stupidity of the human, which doesn't deserve a Wikipedia entry, but an entry in a place for mentally challenged persons. Besides, this sham is a mockery of the intent of marriage, which is companionship and reproduction, and raising children. A dolphin and a human could never be married. GestaltG 17:06, 31 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment “Besides, this sham is a mockery of the intent of marriage, which is companionship and reproduction, and raising children.” Does that include gay marriage?

Different cultures have different beliefs. As you’re from Pennsylvania, I’m trusting that your steretypical culture (not nessessarily you) is against gay marriage. Similarly, some cultures will find marrying a dolphin unusual but acceptable. So to justifiy a speedy deletion based on your culture’s beliefs is to ignore other cultures. My culture finds arranged marriages wrong, should anything accosiated with arranged marriages be excluded from wikipedia? No.

I’m not denying that marrying a dolphin isn’t absurd, but surely it’s absurdity is one of the first real signs that marriage is becoming less important and is gradually become a mockery. In which case, the article IS significant.

Someone who is still at school might have an assignment based on the changing attitudes towards marriage (I’m pretty sure it’s a common subject for students taking Religious Studies to write about), this article would come in useful as it would show a change in attitudes towards marriage.

This article sums up the changes in attitudes towards marriage during this month. Britian’s first gay marriages have taken place and to top it all off a British woman has marriaged a dolphin in Isreal. Surely, signs of change should not be dismissed as asburdities and not included. Similarly, Rosa Parks actions during the civil rights movements were seen as “asurd” but they proved significant in the civil rights movement. Thus asurdity shouldn’t be a reason why something should be deleted.

At the moment those believing that the article should stay may be outnumbered but we have the stronger argument to keep the article against those who want it deleted. Englishrose 18:39, 31 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Still Delete I am not going to get into a big editorial debate with you about the meaning of marriage. My comment was taken from the basic definition of marriage, from college Sociology 101 (functionalist view). You might then state (somewhat correctly) that Western Sociology has a traditional Christan bent, but the elements of that definition of marriage have been accepted by the vast majority of human cultures (Christian and non-Christian and pre-Christian) throughout history. Gay marriage and alternative defintitions of marriage are only recent. If you want to write an article about alternative forms of marriage, or add a modern section to an article about marriage, go ahead, but using this "article" is not the way to do it.
Now, as to my comment, it was meant to be taken literally as follows. First, a human and an animal of any sort, let alone a dolphin, cannot reproduce because they are not of the same species. It's part of the basic definition of a species, look it up, from high school Biology 101. Second, it's highly unlikely they could share a "marital companionship." And if they cannot have children, it's not likely (even if they "adopted") that they could raise children. How could a dolphin participate meaningfully in raising human children?
Finally, I don't see how you could quantify arguments for keeping it stronger than arguments for deletion, especially after admitting to the absurdity of this article. Your stated reasons why the keep arguments are stronger begs instead that you write or contribute to an article about alternative forms of marriage, or modern marriage, they don't necessarily argue strongly in favor of keeping this particular article GestaltG 19:09, 31 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. It was a top news story yesterday, so it should be notable enough. -- King of Hearts | (talk) 21:09, 31 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. I found out about this story from doing a Yahoo News search. Newspapers in India and it was featured in the UK paper "Mirror." While I question the sanity of the woman, but if this is deemed a hoax later on, we can still probably write about this and how the hoax was carried out. Zach (Smack Back) 02:48, 1 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Fifteen years ago when I was working in a grocery store, I saw a headline that I will never forget, because it was so absurd: "Vampires in the US are dying of AIDS!" Should I write an article about that? Maybe an article about absurd tabliod headlines? I mean, I question the sanity of whomever wrote that headline (clever insanity I might admit), but does that merit a Wikipedia article? GestaltG 03:15, 1 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      • "Vampires in the US are dying of AIDS!" could be mentioned in the article Vampire. Englishrose 14:17, 1 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
        • But it wouldn't deserve a separate article by itself, and that is what I am saying. If you want to somehow add the story that a human married a dolphin to a page about modern marriage, that's fine I guess. But it doesn't deserve a separate article, which is what we are arguing about here, whether to delete this particular article. GestaltG 14:40, 1 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. I don't feel the article is notable in the first place. Even if completely legit, I just don't see it retaining any meaningful notability in the future. - Liontamer 21:53, 2 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep.Being a top news story doesn't certify this to be included in wikipedia however, it being the FIRST and I stress the FIRST inter-species marriage in particular the first Dolphin-Human marriage, the first land-sea species marriage, is a notable event. To claim it isn't is simply ignorance RBlowes 22:30, 2 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
User's first Wikipedia edit. Sliggy 22:43, 2 January 2006 (UTC) [reply]
Thank you for pointing that out sliggy, although I don't see why it should be. RBlowes 23:17, 2 January 2006 (UTC) [reply]
  • Strong keep It's verifiable and it's notable (first inter-species "marriage" that's recognized by a government). I don't see how this violates any policy. Whether or not this meets anyone's definition of marriage is irrelevant. howcheng {chat} 22:49, 6 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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