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Is anyone aware of any extrabiblical ancient sources which refer to Jebusites or to a people having a similar name? --Briangotts (talk) 18:11, 16 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed that the Wiki article neglects to mention 1 Chronicles, which says (KJV),

1Chr.11 [1] Then all Israel gathered themselves to David unto Hebron, saying, Behold, we are thy bone and thy flesh. [2] And moreover in time past, even when Saul was king, thou wast he that leddest out and broughtest in Israel: and the LORD thy God said unto thee, Thou shalt feed my people Israel, and thou shalt be ruler over my people Israel, and thou shalt be ruler over my people Israel. [3] Therefore came all the elders of Israel to the king to Hebron; and David made a covenant with them in Hebron before the LORD; and they anointed David king over Israel, according to the word of the LORD by Samuel. [4] And David and all Israel went to Jerusalem, which is Jebus; where the Jebusites were, the inhabitants of the land. [5] And the inhabitants of Jebus said to David, Thou shalt not come hither. Nevertheless David took the castle of Zion, which is the city of David. [6] And David said, Whosoever smiteth the Jebusites first shall be chief and captain. So Joab the son of Zeruiah went first up, and was chief. [7] And David dwelt in the castle; therefore they called it the city of David.

Source: http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=DIV1&byte=1662819

Conquest vs. Occupation Controversy

Jebusite

Using the term "conquest" makes a judgment that King David actually "conquered" Jerusalem, rather than co-opting its management, as the Jebusite Hypothesis (in this Article) suggests. For that reason, "occupation" is a more neutral word and seems preferable, although perhaps still other words might be better (and if so, please suggest).

The lack of any information (even Biblical) asserting massacre of the inhabitants suggests peaceful occupation (or even making an offer that the management couldn't refuse--such as steak dinners forever for Zadoq/Araunah and his descendants in exchange for nominal substitution of "Yahweh" for "El Elyon" as alternative to massacre). Therefore, I propose to change "conquest" to "occupation" in a week or so if no contrary consensus emerges.

PraeceptorIP (talk) 18:28, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sources beyond the biblical

There are many, and they should be added to this article, which currently only discusses the biblical vision of the Jebusites. Archaeology has provided much information, some of which upholds and others which contradict the biblical narrative. I'll work on adding some of these to the article. Tiamut^talk 18:05, 26 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

First rate. I will look forward to seeing your additions soon. Please include the wall and also the two towers near Gihon. PraeceptorIP (talk) 19:01, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ethnic origin

Tanakh: this term, which represents a complete unit of its own in Judaism, cannot possibly be used to refer to a part of the "Bible", which is essentially a Christian term, so it's better to stick to "Old Testament". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pamour (talk • contribs) 18:54, 5 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Genetic Studies

I turned up this: http://maillists.uci.edu/mailman/public/mgsa-l/2006-March/006774.html which claims that the article, "The Origin of Palestinians and Their Genetic Relatedness With Other Mediterranean Populations" was retracted by the journal that originally published it. This article is used as the sole reference for a claim about genetic studies in the "Modern Usage" section.

I don't have access to this journal, so I can't verify either that it was the original publisher, or that it issued a retraction. And perhaps there are other genetic studies that have reached similar conclusions. But if this is really the only source, and it was retracted, then I'm thinking that, "Also modern genetic studies shows Palestinians are direct descendants of Canaanite people" should be removed from the article.

Can anyone help? Grease Bandit (talk) 20:51, 13 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Here; Gibbons, Ann (October 30, 2000). "Jews and Arabs Share Recent Ancestry". ScienceNOW. American Academy for the Advancement of Science. Surprise, surprise, both palestinians and jews come from the same core prehistorical population... I think that statement has all the right to stay. 212.163.172.180 (talk) 17:04, 29 March 2010 (UTC)Leirus212.163.172.180 (talk) 17:04, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]