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Cleanup needed

This wiki needs a major edit and clean up. Very unorganized.

I second this. I'll try to see if we can't move some stuff around. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ender666999 (talk • contribs) 01:25, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

emilie autumn is torturing rats during her shows

i think we should write something about it here on wikipedia, so that there is anything "true" about her i have different sources about it. 188.45.15.15 (talk) 13:06, 4 February 2010 (UTC) I argee this must be added! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.58.189.247 (talk) 22:12, 2 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It should not be mentioned as there was no torture involved. They were just breifly on stage how does that qualify as torturing them?68.192.55.21 (talk) 01:32, 3 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

She has cyanide lipstick and proceeds to kiss them! close enough!70.234.188.168 (talk) 22:55, 15 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Inaccurate musical/historical reference

The page says that she became interested in Early Music, which it claims has something to do with baroque and renaissance music. This is incorrect. Early Music refers to European music from before the Renaissance. Also, I removed the advertisement for a concert. That clearly does not belong here.

Actually no, early music do includes renaissance and sometimes baroque, although it's arguable weather if baroque fits in early music, renaissance music as medieval are considerated the western music before common practice, which is the definition of early music. 187.155.8.164 (talk) 21:27, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"Victoriandustrial"

I believe she calls it "violindustrial", but I will have to go look for a quote.

Heres a pic, where it can be seen: http://www.emilieautumn.com/img/LUMySpace.jpg

I deleted "Victoriandustrial" and "Violindustrial" from the article, as when you get down to it, they're just examples of things someone made up one day. Google searches and the like don't turn up any references outside of social networking and music-sharing sites. It wouldn't be bad to put something like "Suchandsuch coined the terms 'Victoriandustrial' and 'violindustrial' to describe her music" if someone can find a reference for it, but they aren't valid genre terms.--Halloween jack 18:15, 10 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

She herself has used the terms “victoriandustrial” and “violindustrial”. 80.35.16.144 (talk) 21:03, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Further clean-up needed, 12 September 2007

Fleshed out early life section, added details of contributions to the works of other artists and compilations, added picture, added references.

Needed: continuation of work on biographical details, particularly information about her time with Courtney Love (must have references). Some detail on the "Opheliac" phrase (whole page could be made for the album and the origins of the term) incorporating the Asylum and other borrowed Victorian ideas and terms (this can all go between Biography and TV performances). Update of links section.

Claire O'Malley 03:11, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Real Name

Is Emilie Autumn her real name or a stage name? ~MDD4696 04:09, 2 October 2008 (UTC) It's a stage one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.163.117.232 (talk) 08:06, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Its her real name, not her whole name though but if I remember correctly on her forum it was mentioned Autumn is actually her middle name as she was born in Autumn and her last name is unknown. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.145.154.166 (talk) 15:46, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Her last name is Liddell. She mentioned it at the Chicago Tea Party. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.34.113.77 (talk) 04:25, 27 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

<a href="http://www.batteredrose.com/chat2.php">This</a> might serve as source or at least as indicator for “Liddell”. —Telofy (talk) 20:10, 18 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Or use her autobiographical book "The Asylum for Wayward Victorian Girls" as a source.
On page four paragraph four she states "[The plastic hospital bracelet] already has my name on it. Emilie Autumn Liddell. Yes, that Liddell. You can see now why I don't use that name." (actually "that" is underlined but I don't know how to underline in wikis).
There are other references to it as well, but that should be clear enough.
Seeing how this is in an actual published book it must be considered a good source, don't it?
85.225.176.50 (talk) 06:14, 20 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Her real name is "Emily Autumn Fritzges", and she's born in 1977, not 1979...195.176.0.201 (talk) 13:42, 13 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ummm actually NO, she WAS born in 1979 seeing as she is turning 31 this year!!! Where the fuck are you people getting this information from????? Go to her fucking website and you will see that in one of her journals she stated that it was her 30th birthday last year, and I can safely say that she would no her own age wouldn't you???? Also I don't know about her name being Emily Autumn Fritzges, as she has said many times that her last name is Liddell and that she is related to Alice Liddell, also I am pretty sure that her first name was always spelt Emilie. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Emma kenny (talk • contribs) 03:32, 13 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
here is where 1977 comes from http://www.ssjentertainment.com/ebayphotos/RandomRecords/113009/emilieautumn.jpg I'll try to dig up an old invoice for the name, the best proof for this recently is impossible to be cited due to it having been deleted because of it being accurate --Yayamaya (talk) 20:46, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

From what I can tell, Emilie's birth name is Emily Frizges, old paypal invoces had this name on them and looking here, this looks very much like it's her. http://www.ussearch.com/consumer/preview/peoplesearch.do?searchMode=search&searchCallMode=direct&searchMName=A&searchLName=Fritzges&searchState=IL&searchCity=Chicago&searchFName=E&adID=158-0000000020&adsource=158&TID=5&searchtab=home --Yayamaya (talk) 13:35, 13 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Genre

Someone has kept changing the genre to Dark Cabaret, Electropop and Metal. I agree with Dark Cabaret but i do not believe that electropop and metal are the genres of her music, Emilie herself has said its dark cabaret and industrial. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Darklight179 (talk • contribs) 15:28, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Go and wash your ears. There are typical Metal guitars. --Ada Kataki (talk) 20:58, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
You are mistaken. There are no guitars in Emilie Autumn's music. The instrument you are mistaking for a guitar is actually an electric violin. The Proctor Doctor (talk) 20:45, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

An electronic violin sounds like a Heavy Metal guitar? On the MySpace site she descibes their music as Metal (and also Industrial, but there is no Industrial music on their albums). --Ada Kataki (talk) 19:53, 2 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It must to you, because you are insisting that "there are typical Metal guitars" in Emilie Autumn's music when in fact there are none. Industrial metal is a better-suited genre term than just metal for her music. Electropop is still not an accurate tag; Emilie Autumn does not sound anything remotely like Ladytron or Peaches. The Proctor Doctor (talk) 17:11, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Please, listen to Industrial metal. Autumn's music has nothing to do with this kind of music. And Electropop means ElectroPOP, not ElectroCLASH. --Ada Kataki (talk) 09:32, 8 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
As a matter of fact, I have listened to industrial metal. I have also listened to metal, and electropop, and electroclash, and I am fully convinced that you are attempting to be a music snob when you have no idea what you are talking about. Autumn's music is arguably its own genre, or a blend of different genres, and certainly takes inspiration from even more genres, but likening it to metal because it has a few stray metal influences is simply inaccurate. The Proctor Doctor (talk) 19:08, 16 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Industrial Metal is a different genre to just Industrial music. As The Proctor Doctor has said her music is a variety of different genres, and only some of her remixes come near the metal genre. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.145.154.166 (talk) 15:49, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well, thank god we have come to a compromise. Electronic music is a bit vague and all-encompassing, but at least there will be no more edit war. The Proctor Doctor (talk) 01:46, 26 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Emilie Autumn is also often referred to as Dark Wave. Her sound is similar to other modern Dark Wave bands like RazorBladeKisses and L'Ame Immortelle. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blade1313 (talk • contribs) 02:55, 7 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

L'ame Immortelle has nothing to do with Wave music. The same with Emilie Autumn. --Chontamenti (talk) 18:52, 8 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think it would be fair to add stempunk; she describes her music as victorianindustrial which is in one or other another way to say stempunk. Also the use of the Harpsichord with electronic effects and the electric violin really gives to it an steampunk sound... If anyone disagrees let us know befor deleting it.187.155.7.226 (talk) 00:30, 9 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think steampunk is incorrect. First of all, the link leads to the fiction genre, not to steampunk music; second, steampunk music (at least that made by the very few steampunk musicians there are out there, like The Clockwork Dolls) does not sound like what she does, and plus, steampunk as a musical genre is extremely vaguely defined, so I don't think we should categorize music into it.
Also, Emilie Autumn has millions of styles. In Enchant and A Bit O' This and That, she very often goes into the genres of blues/jazz, celtic... Chambermaid was once defined as “chamber pop”, though I cannot recall whether it was by her or not. Anyway, what happens here is that she does things that don't easily fit into ANY genre, so I think that, while Wikipedia pages on musucians need it, we shouldn't try to force musical genres that don't fit with her stuff into this article. I'd say baroque chamber music, industrial (or industrial metal, which I think would be acceptable), jazz... 80.35.16.144 (talk) 21:03, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
There is no Industrial in their music. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.134.20.42 (talk) 12:32, 14 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
     (PlagueRattyRat 6.3.10)I think you'll find there is. Go and have a listen to 'I Know Where You Sleep' and 'Liar'. Most definately industrial influences.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by PlagueRattyRat (talk • contribs) 09:48, 6 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Industrial is an umbrella term of genre, there are many different types of industrial in the world....there are industrial influences in her music....but like I said its a very umbrella term for a varied genre. - J.D.

In Response to "Vandalism"

I hope the mods aren't getting TOO frustrated. The "vandalism's" all in good fun, at her own encouragement. 166.82.100.66 (talk) 05:01, 4 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

She told us to. Check her Twitter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lyrastar123 (talk • contribs) 20:47, 22 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yikes. She apparently did.[1] Kaguya-chan (talk) 21:41, 22 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Quote: Yes, I did ask the PRs to fuck up my Wikipedia page! It was a challenge! And they rocked it! 11:10 AM Nov 16th from web

I think this would have been easier to do if she had made her own account or written somewhere what the flaws of this article were so they'd be quotable; 'cause she said she did this 'cause she was very tired of her changing incorrect facts and everyone saying they were not true. 80.35.16.144 (talk) 21:03, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

such a stupid challenge! wikipedia is free for everyone and not the asylum from emilie autumn, when anybody finds a source on the internet, he/she can edit it. i think emilie is just angry because fame didnt enter in her life... ;)77.119.33.214 (talk) 17:43, 15 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Would you rather she would have sued?
With such a lack of sources and the person described in a living person biographical article that would be a clear possibility.
Instead be thankful that her and her fans' response is just removing all the inaccuracies to having information removed even though the source for the removed information is the best one possible: herself on her own forum.
Another clear case of that Wikipedia needs to modernise its rules regarding acceptable sources to include direct information from the subject described, for example on their own forums or accounts on places like Twitter or MySpace.
If 77.119.33.214 thinks it appropriate to analyze Emilie's feelings then please do that on your own webpage, but don't forget to show how you in fact are an authority on non-mainstram fame levels.
85.225.176.50 (talk) 23:53, 15 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Are you kidding me????? She wasn't angry because fame didn't enter her life, she was angry because you people in Wikipedia were putting wrong information about her on this page, and when she fixed it all up, you just changed it all back to the bullshit that was on it before, and said that who ever edited it didn't know anything and got it all wrong!! I think she would know her own bloody life don't you?? Wikipedia is stupid and where the hell do you get all the information, because clearly you were completely wrong, and the whole reason why she asked us Plague Rats to fuck up her Wikipedia page was just to see how much bullshit can be put onto a page, by the public. Which apparently was a lot!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Emma kenny (talk • contribs) 03:26, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Source needed

Source needed for: "She also is obsessed with the plague and rats. She has two rats named Sir Edward and Basil." Kaguya-chan (talk) 17:39, 24 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Do not know if this is accepted, but it includes a pic of EA with Sir Edward and Basil. http://forum.emilieautumn.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=21881 Thesaya (talk) 06:57, 31 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Stubbed

Due to the serious biographies of living persons issues with this article, namely the poor quality of referencing, I have stubbed this article removing the bulk of the text. Future additions must be supported by reliable sources such as articles in professional third party magazines and newspapers. Through a preliminary Google search I have been unable to find much reliable coverage of the topic, but if anyone is aware of such coverage, please post links here and I would be happy to integrate the content. Any attempts to restore poorly-sourced content will not be tolerated, and may result in the page being protected from editing or persistent violators having their editing privileges revoked. Sincerely,  Skomorokh  15:22, 3 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I wonder if Emilies own journal entries on her official forum could be used as sources? Here is the link: http://forum.emilieautumn.com/viewforum.php?f=2 She was also in the latest Gothic beauty magazine, so anyone who has that could use it as a source. Can be ordered from here: http://www.gothicbeauty.com

Also, I wonder if interviews you can watch at youtube, which CLEARLY shows that it is she answering the questions, would be acceptable as sources? If that is so there is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gu47z5Poajk ; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2x3hyzeF9T4 ; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fH0w0E579I&feature=related : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CffbccbOX2A : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTOeNIag7SM&feature=related Thesaya (talk) 11:27, 30 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

New interview today: http://www.thisisnottingham.co.uk/entertainmentnews/Music-saved-life-Emilie-Autumn/article-1763548-detail/article.html Thesaya (talk) 06:54, 31 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yay for new interview! I think that Emilie's journal entries could be used since she is the author. Kaguya-chan (talk) 20:11, 4 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Attrition not authorized

About the guest vocals on Attrition I doubt EA want them here since they were used without her authorisation. I do not have a so called "reliable" source for this, only what was on the top of every page in her forum for a VERY long time. The author of the post is TallyHooTrain, EA's former booker and contact at Trisol. http://forum.emilieautumn.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=6173&start=0&hilit=attrition

While it is not possible to find a "reliable" source, I do think you could take this part out at least, even if not writing about the conflict itself. Thesaya (talk) 09:59, 31 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

What about the fans?

Emilie has a huge fan base, and all the fans arem referred to as either 'muffins' or 'plague rats'. Should this not be included on the wiki page? Fans are a crucial part of any artists development, and the fact that we are different to most other fans means that we should be included. -PlagueRattyRat —Preceding unsigned comment added by PlagueRattyRat (talk • contribs) 09:53, 6 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Those are her /groupies/ not fans! 70.234.188.168 (talk) 22:52, 15 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

How are they groupies and not fans? --Yayamaya (talk) 12:20, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request from Oneironauttt, 6 April 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} Oneironauttt (talk) 07:15, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate.Avicennasis @ 07:49, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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