Talk:Greeks

The 3RR does not apply to reverting abusive 87.202... edits

Please leave this note at the top of the page. The user operating IPs in the 87.202.xx range has been warned about edit warring, disruption, and insulting edit summaries on User talk:87.202.25.88. As for 3RR violations, I didn't even bother, as 87.202.25.88 was already blocked for that. The user has continued the destructive editing, and I would like to block him/her. Unfortunately I didn't know just how dynamic these IPs are when I placed the warning; a block would be quite likely to hit innocent and virtuous users. I'll see what technical marvels I can perform later, but meanwhile, please note this: any collaborative editor on this page should feel free to revert abusive and/or reverting edits from the 87.202.xx range even if it means reverting more than 3 times in 24 hours. Please mention this note in your edit summary if you do that, and refer any admin who wishes to discuss the matter to me. Bishonen | talk 06:00, 4 January 2006 (UTC).[reply]

Heavy handed-bish. RAWR! Bishzilla taking on the world! Next: World Tour! Project2501a 10:12, 10 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

And tell 'em I'll see 'em in Tokyo. Bishonen | talk 13:09, 10 January 2006 (UTC).[reply]

What happened to all the Greeks of Byzantine?

I think this should be touched upon here, since I'm even curious. Antidote 00:29, 9 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Greek muslims

Are Greek Muslims simply considered Turkified Greeks or even Turkish ? Do they even consider themselves Greeks and are they fully descended from indigenous Greeks ? Epf 09:09, 10 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Mixed bag, dude. After 600 years since the begining of the Ottoman Occupation, these people are no more "indigenous" to Greece than a Christian-Orthodox Greek. So, it call comes down to attitude and ideology: Some are seperationists, some are Turkified Greeks (read: pre 1830 A.d.), some consider themselves Greek, some are agnostic/atheists and some convert over to Christianity. Take your pick. But there's definately an Islamic Greek minority and I'd say that most of them consider themselves Greek citizens, contrary to what some Greek nationalists might say.

Nationalism is on the rise in Greece, somewhat of a popular pass-time. Since we (Greeks) don't want to blame ourselves for our Zamanfu-ism, we blame anybody that's not "Greek", convinently forgetting of our own Greek heritage and intermixture. Project2501a 10:23, 10 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Alexander the Great

The following was posted at User talk:Jkelly. I am copying it here so that regular editors of this article can discuss the issue. Jkelly 16:50, 17 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Jkelly; I wanted to request the removing of the image of Alexander the Great on the Greek people article. As you probably know, whether the Ancient Macedonians were a Greek tribe or an independent group is very controversial among Greeks and Macedonians, and it is still disputed by international historians. Wikipedia itself has noted in many articles the banning or the warning of discussing the ethnicity of the Ancient Macedonians, like in the Alexander the great article and the articles in the Wikipedia History website dedicated to Alexander the Great. Thus, Wikipedia knows it cannot choose Alexander's ethnicity, I don't see how Greeks on Wikipedia can. As you can see, there isn't a picture of Alexander the Great on the Macedonians (ethnic group) article for the same reason. There are many famous Greeks in the world, from ancient philosiphers to modern day businessmen, so it will be very easy to replace Alexander the great in the Greek people article. Sincerely, Macedonia

To the previous guy...You are so pathetic! Astavrou 21:36, 25 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Pontic?

Why does the infobox include Pontic, isn't Pontic supposed to be a Greek dialect? I'm asking because if idioms like Pontic are to be included, then Tsakonian should be there as well. Pontic, Tsakonian, Cypriot, Cretan etc are usually viewed (by Greeks at least) as mere regional variations of Greek [1], so if specific dialects are to be mentioned, then shouldn't all of them be mentioned? Latinus 10:14, 19 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Justinian I photo

Why is Justinian presented to be a greek along Plato and Pericles and even Heléna? What is the new historical evidence that suggests the Roman Emperor felt like greek or identified himself as greek? Did you read it anywhere? Donnerstag 15:14, 23 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Justinian was a Byzantine Emperor actually. Put it more accuratelly Justinian was an Eastern Roman Emperor. Given the fact that the Eastern Roman Empire was based upon the foundations of Greco-Roman civilisation/culture and the Greek language was the de facto official one during the Justinian years the emperor was a part of the greater Greek dominated part of the world. In a broader view Justinian could be perceived as Greek in the same manner that Stalin is mostly perceived as Russian although he was Georgian (with Georgia being a part of a communist Russian empire) or Hitler is perceived as German although his origins were Austro-Jewish. Using nowadays political map though Justinian originated from the near the city of modern Scopje in the F.Y.R.O.M. but was he Serbian though? Just to help you Serbians aka Slavic people migrated at that region during his years, but he couldn't be Slav since he was an aristocrat while Slavs were barbarians at those years. On the other hand when it comes to me I have a bad habit of classifying all Byzantine historical characters as Greek since to my knowledge (...fan of this historical period myself) the Byzantine Empire was a pure Greek state just as like the HRE was Germanic or the Ottoman was Turkish. Actually Kemal Ataturk borned in Salonica, was he Greek?? Hopefully this answers your question. Astavrou 21:33, 25 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]