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Can you explain me what is the purpose of this article? Every Western media claim about some Iranian criminal deserves article for itself?
Should we also make few hundred thousands articles about murdered Iraqis by US army? It sould be redirect to "Capital punishment in Iran". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.142.152.140 (talk) 14:33, 12 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Adultery?
I have seen a lot of crappy Wikipedia articles but this takes the cake. The #1 charge against her was her and her lover conspiring to murder her husband. Charge #2 was adultery (something still a crime in the US by the way). People neglect to mention that she was convicted of murdering her husband. Unbelievable. Ruy Lopez (talk) 02:46, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The sources I saw said she was either acquitted of charges relating to her husband's death, or that the charges were just dropped. Either way, I haven't seen a source saying she was convicted of that, but if you have one, then send it along.-- Patrick {oѺ∞} 05:21, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The Hindu states that she was convicted of murder. The only citation in the article for that is mine, which says that. Refrain from deleting this, it is cited and your lies about her being on death row solely for adultery are bogus. Ruy Lopez (talk) 20:30, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, in that article, it says "the Iranian judiciary has suspended a sentence of stoning to death against a woman for adultery" and "Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani, 43, was convicted by one court of adultery, which is punished by stoning to death". But yes, they have this bit: "Provincial judiciary head Malek Ajdar Sharifi, however, said that the woman was not only convicted of adultery but also of killing her husband in 2006". As I understand it, that's not the judge that convicted her, but one above him, and that the conviction was based on the lower judges opinion of her crimes. I also see that Malek Ajdar Sharifi appears in other articles, but saying only that "her crimes are not limited to adultery". Overall, I'm uncomfortable putting "murder" in the first sentence, since even the articles that do quote this judge don't say she was to be put to death for murder.-- Patrick {oѺ∞} 20:50, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The articles we do cite here have sentences like "Later that year she was accused of murdering her husband. Those charges were dropped, but an inquiry into the adultery charge was reopened."[1] or "another court... suggested she had colluded in the murder. She was acquitted of murder, but the judges decided that she had earlier committed adultery while being married" [2]. So that's where I'm coming from and looking at the facts of her case. We'd have to ignore several prominent sources to say she was convicted of murder.-- Patrick {oѺ∞} 21:01, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The Irish Times piece is an editorial, and thus has less credulity than news stories. The editorial says she was "acquitted" of the charges. Newsweek says HRW/Amnesty says she was charged with murder but those charges were dropped (and dropped is not the same as acquitted). I do not see any evidence of this in the original source, HRW/Amnesty. So we have Newsweek, citing a source (which does not say what Newsweek says) saying the charges were dropped, and the justice head of her province saying she was convicted of the charges.
I don't mind both sides going in, as long as the the other side is cited. But there is no reason to not put in Mr. Sharifi's cited statements. Ruy Lopez (talk) 08:45, 14 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
