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Inclusion/Exclusion

Watford F.C. - EXCLUDED - from Watford's Wikipedia entry: "Watford is a town and district in Hertfordshire, UK, situated 34 km (21 miles) northwest of London and within the bounds of the M25 motorway. The borough lies just to the north of Greater London, but is not part of it" GiantSnowman 21:42, 5 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Include - The visitlondon and allinlondon websites (both used as references for this article) describe Watford as a London club, a term which appears to apply to all teams within the M25. Grunners 19:24, 10 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Exclude - Ask any Watford fan whether they are a London club or not. - fchd 03:17, 17 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

See my comment above, it is far easier if we simply take the area within the M25. And as your comment on Wimbledon below rightly shows, what a club's fans may think is not always the neutral truth! Grunners 20:21, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Exclude - It doesn't matter what visitlondon or the allinlondon websites show, Watford is NOT in London, and therefore should not appear here. The M25 is immaterial.

Organisation

Should the table of clubs be organised alphabetically or chronologically (date of foundation)? GiantSnowman 16:56, 12 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'd say alphabetically is always best, as everyone can then find the team they want easily. Alphabetical within the leagues they are in, or just plain alphabetical though? Grunners 18:55, 12 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Alphabetical overall, as it will be save us updating the table when teams are promoted/relegated GiantSnowman 19:03, 12 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

agreed, already had that problem whilst creating the table from the old style list Grunners 14:54, 15 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Was unsure about A.F.C. Wimbledon. Any other club with the AFC/FC preceeding the name would ignore the AFC/FC part, but with this club it is such an integral part of the name in order to distinguish it from the older team. At present have put it under 'W' though. Grunners 15:09, 15 February 2007

Thank you, was about to do it myself! I think that AFC Wimbledon should be under 'W', as is considered the descendant of the original Wimbledon side GiantSnowman 16:20, 15 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

They are NOT considered as the descendant of the original Wimbledon side by most statisticians, or the F.A. or the Football League. - fchd 03:15, 17 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, to be seen as the continuation, they need the FA to rule that they are the original club's incarnation, as clubs that have disbanded and restarted must do. This will be very unlikely to happen whilst the Dons survive. Grunners 20:24, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Amount of clubs to include

The table list the clubs down to Step 4 of the National League System. We could go further, but then where do we stop, this seems a natural break as the last of the divisions containing any semi-pro teams (I believe). However, this does mean having to alter the table once a year, but this must be better than having an endless list? Grunners 21:25, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe only include teams which already have a Wikipedia page, meaning that they have met notability guidelines? GiantSnowman 13:03, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In that case, we go at least a 'step' lower, to the Essex League and Kent League. Grunners 14:49, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think you'll find that most, if not all, of the Step 5 teams are semi-professional, as well as an awful lot of the Step 6 clubs. - fchd 17:50, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

İstanbul has more professional teams than London

http://www.tff.org/default.aspx?pageID=522

you can sort here. there are 22 professional teams from istanbul as of 2008/09 season (in turkey top 4 levels are professional) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kırık.kırkayak (talk • contribs) 22:50, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]