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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Murattasci (talk | contribs) at 14:58, 12 August 2010 (→‎Email - Bulent Senver: new section). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

Link to a broken Wiki page

I'm trying to access your page you gave me earlier to understand how to establish a copyright: Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials I can't seem to access it properly. I inputted the information into the search panel and it won't accept. Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Berek Halfhand (talk • contribs) 04:53, 27 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If you type the whole thing into the search box, it should come up, so I'm not sure what the problem is. Alternately, you can click the blue link you created above, or go straight to the URL of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Donating_copyrighted_materials. Does that help or am I completely misunderstanding your question? VernoWhitney (talk) 11:18, 27 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) If that doesn't work, try typing WP:DCM into the searchbar :) Acather96 (talk) 20:17, 28 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Copyvios

Hi,

I can see how Information and belief might rise to the level of copyvio, but I don't agree that the paraphrase in praeter legem constitutes a copyvio. I'm hoping you'll reconsider that one. Thanks. Andrew Gradman talk/WP:Hornbook 19:57, 28 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've created this substitute text: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Praeter_legem/Temp
I don't want you to think I'm ignoring you, I just didn't think you'd suffer a meltdown if I didn't respond immediately. I'll revisit these sometime today. VernoWhitney (talk) 12:14, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. I appreciate the update message. If my new drafts of both articles (Talk:Information_and_belief/Temp and Talk:Praeter_legem/Temp) are still problematic, just let me know on my talkpage and I'll put more effort into cleanup. Andrew Gradman talk/WP:Hornbook 23:19, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, both of the rewrites look good. I'll ask an admin to move them over the main articles now. Thanks for your efforts! VernoWhitney (talk) 23:36, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

ticket 201007271002867

Hello VernoWhitney,


This refers to : "ticket 2010072710028675". I am writing to you as "the user who added this template to the page". I originally uploaded the image in question. I have now emailed the author of the work, inviting her to complete the "Declaration of consent for all enquiries", and send it directly to permissions@enwikimedia.org, if she chooses to do so.

I noted a concern that "the email address that the permission came from is not associated with the location where the content was originally published", and I wished to comment on that before the declaration arrives at Wikipedia (if ever).

The person has changed the host for her blog, since uploading the picture.

Please see: http://punkprincezz16.blogspot.com/

This contains the photo under discussion, and also the statement: "please check out my new blog www.missoliviaaa.blogspot.com"

From here, click on "contact me" and one arrives at: "My E-mail:olivia167@yahoo.com

bye

Oojamaflip2 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oojamaflip2 (talk • contribs) 11:23, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'll follow-up via OTRS. Thanks. VernoWhitney (talk) 11:36, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Talkback

Hello, VernoWhitney. You have new messages at Shirik's talk page.
Message added 04:06, 30 July 2010 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.[reply]

Re: Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Sally Fitzgibbons

Hi, I've put the article submission on hold. I saw that there are quite a number of external links. External links should not exist in the article itself. You can convert them to citations or internal links(if they have a wikipedia article). You can also have a external links section but please make sure they comply to the guidelines here. Under the sources section I noticed that there are links under 'Surfing Organistions/Controlling Bodies', 'Newspapers', 'Online Surfing Publications', and 'Sponsors'. What are they for? Also, citations to Wikipedia articles are not reliable sources. It'll be great if you can change them. Bejinhan talks 05:20, 2 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, in case you didn't notice, all I did was add the OTRS tag. Since I've never used AFC I wasn't sure if anyone else would take a look at it again so I told you. I have no other real interest in nor knowledge of the article, Cheers! VernoWhitney (talk) 11:55, 2 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, sorry. I've notified the creator. Bejinhan talks 13:05, 2 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

user:Agradman RE Wikipedia:Contributor_copyright_investigations

Hi VernoWhitney,

I just wanted to write here directly to let you know that I really am sorry that I was casual with copyright in my recent articles. A longer explanation is at Wikipedia:Contributor_copyright_investigations.

Ordinarily, I would say: tag any article with {{Copyviocore}}, and I will immediately remedy it. However, I'm on an enforced wikibreak, and I won't be checking my talk page or watchlist. So, if any any articles get deleted via this process, please identify them on my talk page; and in a few weeks or months, I'll have an administrator show me the history, and I'll try to re-assemble a non-infringing text.

Thanks for your understanding, and I'm sorry to have troubled you (and burdened Wikipedia). user:Agradman editing as 167.10.240.1 (talk) 18:16, 4 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate your explanation and I did already read your longer one. I will make sure to let you know the results of the investigation. Cheers. VernoWhitney (talk) 18:27, 4 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Connectivity issues continue

Hi. I had a good run of internet connectivity today, which just fritzed out on me, but let me back on swiftly. It's been so frustrating. :P I've been having trouble managing to keep on top of my work e-mails (the ones I get paid for), much less Wikipedia. I am getting a new modem on Tuesday, which my internet company seems to think will clear up my problem. But I'm wondering if in the meantime you can kind of keep an eye out for copyright questions at my talk page? I've got the notice on top, but I know a lot of people won't notice that. I worry that if I'm a long time coming on, people will despair. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 16:58, 6 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I always stalk your page. :) I haven't been editing during the day as much due to an increased workload, but I still check my watchlist and I'll keep an eye out for any that don't get answered. VernoWhitney (talk) 17:02, 6 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. :D I figured you might, but under the circumstances didn't want to presume. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 17:06, 6 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Image copyright

Hi Verno, would you mind having a quick look at a thread on my talk page regarding image copyright. Thanks,Acather96 (talk) 06:15, 7 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Re:File:Cowan Creek Amenity Center.jpg

Hello, VernoWhitney. You have new messages at Fastily's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

-FASTILY (TALK) 03:47, 8 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Can you keep an eye?

Hi. :) Given my nasty internet issues (today has been miraculous! knock wood!), can you keep an eye out for a few days at Joe Coulombe? I believe it is an unusably close paraphrase and have explained to the contributor why, but he may be confused, since he seems to believe there is some "30% change rule", beyond which close paraphrasing is no longer an issue. I've asked User:MLauba to keep an eye, but I know MLauba is not always available. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 20:27, 9 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, I've watchlisted it now. VernoWhitney (talk) 20:31, 9 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! Keep your fingers crossed for my repairman tomorrow. I hope he has strong magic. :) (Actually, he's replacing my modem, so I hope he doesn't need strong magic.... Maybe it will just, you know, work.) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 20:34, 9 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, technology is always the best when it Just Works. VernoWhitney (talk) 20:36, 9 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
LOL! Amen. :D It's amazing how post-apocalyptic it all feels when the internet isn't working. :/ Every time I get disconnected, I have to unplug my modem and router and replug it in and wait for it to reboot...and hope. I've been known to occasionally grouse about how hard it is to get away from the internet, but suddenly being unable to get into it is like losing one of my five regular senses. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 20:43, 9 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

www.standrews.tv

Talk to me at <redacted> and tell me whyyou put in a link of st andrews business whilst I am a non profit site for St Andrews TELL ME!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.131.217.75 (talk) 23:19, 9 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Any chance you could slow down and tell me what you're talking about? VernoWhitney (talk) 00:48, 10 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bülent Şenver

Hi,

As Bülent Şenver is my college instructor, he just gave me the material to update the page. So, there is no copyright problem. If you have any suggestions about it, please let me know.

Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Murattasci (talk • contribs) 15:12, 11 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

We appreciate your contribution, but in order to verify that you have permission to use the material we need you to follow the steps listed at Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials. The article should remained blank until someone from the email response team confirms permission. Thank you. VernoWhitney (talk) 15:14, 11 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Clerking

Hello, VernoWhitney. You have new messages at Moonriddengirl's talk page.
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Berkhof-Berkhoff

Hello VernoWhitney,

Thank you for your message at the discussion page. I was not aware of violating copyright rules because it was such a small part with general knowledge (and also because it is my own work). I will study the license policy. Thank you for the weblinks.

One question. The German text is made yesterday and not published on my own website. Is a literally translation also a violation?

Kind regards,

Berkh (talk) 16:52, 11 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If you wrote the text at http://www.berkhofberkhoff.info/surname.html then you can follow the procedure at Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials so we can verify that and then we can simply reinstate the material I deleted.
If you didn't write the source webpage, then the information can still be reinserted, but it will need to be rewritten, preferably from scratch to avoid copyright issues.
Finally, translations are restricted by the copyright of the original, as well as the translator. So if you took someone's copyrighted text and translated it, you couldn't place it on Wikipedia without their permission (which would need to be verified as above). I hope that answers your questions. If not, let me know and I'll try again. ^_^ VernoWhitney (talk) 17:17, 11 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hello VernoWhitney, Thanks for your helful answer. I first try to set things right for the version in my native language Dutch. Kind regards, Berkh (talk) 05:37, 12 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

OTRS for BIPAC

Hi Verno. :) If you're not too busy, could you check OTRS for a permission email about the text in BIPAC? Thanks, Theleftorium (talk) 20:58, 11 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Checked, confirmed, tagged, unblanked, and marked as resolved on the CP page. ^_^ VernoWhitney (talk) 21:05, 11 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
You're faster than The Flash! :-) Thanks! Theleftorium (talk) 21:08, 11 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

E-mail for verification of the copyright from Bulent Senver

You may find the verification of the copyright from Bulent Senver. He kindly requests the article to be published.

Best,

Murat

<email redacted for privacy> —Preceding unsigned comment added by Murattasci (talk • contribs) 13:45, 12 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Their email should be sent directly to permissions-en@wikimedia.org so that it is verifiable. Thank you. VernoWhitney (talk) 13:49, 12 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

1976 Rhodesian Grand Prix copyright issue

In your comment on 10 Aug, which I've only just seen, you said "in the absence of further evidence". I am willing to provide evidence if I know what you need. If I have come across as frosty, please allow for the fact that I'm really unhappy that my content has been taken in this way and the way the emails to me have been written has not been designed to engage with me in a constructive fashion. So I'm not at my most warm and cuddly at the moment. However, I will take a deep breath and if somebody is willing to have a constructive conversation with me on this, I'll endeavour to be my normal charming and constructive self.

Let me use the Rhodesian GP as an example as that's the one I know best. I suspect that some of the people who have looked at this case assume that the data on my page is pretty much as it appears in some contemporary publication. Anyone used to F1 results would make that assumption and understandably so as F1 results tend to tell you everything. It is quite different when you get to national series, especially those in countries that did not have a specialist motor racing press - such as Canada and South Africa. In those cases, we have to piece things together as best we can from a number of sources. For example, the top three (sometimes top 6) in a race might appear in a results section in a newspaper and we can get those newspapers from Colinwood. The other runners might be mentioned in the report if something interesting happened to them (if they led, if they crashed, if their car burst into flames) but the majority of backmarkers don't get mentioned. So there we have to get a bit creative. We can use information of the entry list - assuming we can find someone with the original program - and add their names as people whose result isn't known. Then we might see that someone significant (Ian Scheckter in this case) wasn't present because we know he was racing in England or had broken his leg or similar. As Scheckter could have won if present, it's worth adding his name as a "did not appear". Sometimes the report might even say he didn't turn up because he couldn't get his car ready or similar reason. But that is a decision we make; there is no such judgement used in the construction of a directory. It's worth mentioning that there may have been other runners in that race; we can't be certain we've picked up everybody.

So that gives finish positions, drivers name, some race times and maybe the winner's speed. Still not enough to be worth publishing. Next we work out what cars they were driving. The newspapers we used were Bulawayo Chronicle mc 1700 11 Jun 1976 p5 and 5 Jul 1976 and the Rhodesian Herald 1 Jul 1976 p16, 2 Jul 1976 p15, 3 Jul 1976 p1 and 5 Jul 1976 p1. They might give us the basics by saying Klomfass drove a Ralt and Nieman was in Alex Blignault's car but they probably won't give the model and definitely won't give the chassis number. We know Klomfass had a RT1 because his name appears in Ralt production records but much of the history we have constructed for this car depends on the fact that it was the only RT1 built with a centre post rear wing. In the case of John Gibb's Chevron, we only know anything about it because of a report in a UK magazine that the Rapid Movements team had sold their car to John Gibb.

Not all cars have a clear identity. In the case of Mike Domingo's Modus M3 we call it 022(A) because there's another car which was also derived from the same original car which we call 022(B). The identities 022(A) and 022(B) are ORC creations; they will not be found in any contemporary source.

I can go on but I see I've already written plenty. Is this the sort of thing that helps? What else do you need to know. Allen Brown (talk) 13:52, 12 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Having said all that, I should comment on Feist Publications v. Rural Telephone Service because that seems to be the basis of believing my page can't be copyrighted. I think the relevant part of the article is the judgement:

It is a long-standing principle of United States copyright law that "information" is not copyrightable, O'Connor notes, but "collections" of information can be. Rural claimed a collection copyright in its directory. The court clarified that the intent of copyright law was not, as claimed by Rural and some lower courts, to reward the efforts of persons collecting information, but rather "to promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts" (U.S. Const. 1.8.8), that is, to encourage creative expression.
Since facts are purely copied from the world around us, O'Connor concludes, "the sine qua non of copyright is originality". However, the standard for creativity is extremely low. It need not be novel, rather it only needs to possess a "spark" or "minimal degree" of creativity to be protected by copyright.

I hope we would agree that my page is, _at the very least_ a "collection" of information. The question then is whether it has that "minimal degree" of creativity. I don't have to establish that my page is wholly creative or even mostly creative; I just have to demonstrate a "minimal degree" of creativity. Surely I have done that. This set of race results does not appears anywhere else in this form, with these things included/excluded, the information about car types and models, etc, etc, so its originality cannot really be disputed.

The article goes on say:

In regard to collections of facts, O'Connor states that copyright can only apply to the creative aspects of collection: the creative choice of what data to include or exclude, the order and style in which the information is presented, etc., but not on the information itself.

So my third point is that that NigelPorter copied every aspect of the data, including what was included/excluded and the order. In that respect he has breached Wikipedia's own guidelines on this (which I can't now find or would link to them).

Fourthly and, you'll be relived to know, lastly, there is the issue of jurisdiction. The pages that were copied were published in the UK, not in the US, so Wikipedia's own guidelines say that national law should be taken into account (again, I've lost the exact reference). The "sweat of the brow" doctrine is specific to US law and both UK law and European law take the opposite view (see Threshold of originality).

Happy to discuss this - in detail if necessary. Allen Brown (talk) 14:23, 12 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That helps me understand, thanks. I must admit that I'm not really familiar with racing, so my approach is simply from the copyright side of things. Your information is clearly a collection of information, so we do agree on that. After reading through your explanation and looking at the articles, I also agree that listing who did not appear is a creative and thus copyrightable element, since you're deciding who was significant enough to mention. The designations of ambiguous car identity (your 022(A) vs. 022(B)) may also be creative, but I don't see that listed in the article. The rest of it, however, still looks like a compilation of facts. Certainly difficult to compile as multiple sources have to be listed and all the mentions compiled into the table, but still just a listing of the facts. That brings us to whether choosing those particular facts are creative elements. Position, Number and Driver certainly seem like standard information to me. The other columns may require someone with more knowledge in the area of racing, or at least looking at what information is presented for other racing series (such as F1 articles maybe, I haven't looked into that aspect yet). So what it's looking like to me is that some of the material (that which includes at least that minimal degree of creativity) needs to be removed from the articles.
As far as the jurisdiction issue, our Wikipedia:Copyrights policy states "The Wikimedia Foundation is based in the United States and accordingly governed by United States copyright law." The Wikipedia:Non-U.S. copyrights guideline expands on this saying that "While Wikipedia prefers content which is free anywhere in the world, it accepts content which is free in the United States even if it may be under copyright in some other countries". Given that, we're just concerned with US copyright law (which is what my analysis above is based on). VernoWhitney (talk) 14:39, 12 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Email - Bulent Senver

Mr. Senver sent a mail to permissions-en@wikimedia.org about the copyright verification, for your information.

Best,

Murat

--Murattasci (talk) 14:58, 12 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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