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Deletion criterion -- may need future updating

Was wandering around WP looking up random performers, and discovered that Siobhan_(band) had been deleted. This lead me to the criterion page and "#5 Has released two or more albums on a major label or one of the more important indie labels (i.e., an independent label with a history of more than a few years and a roster of performers, many of which are notable)."

Okay, so this band released their 3 CDs completely independent of any label (at least, I can't find any name but their own on any of the 3 CDs here in my hot little hand, even tho they're all professionally done), and I doubt they're "notable" otherwise either (other than having swamped the server when their initial freebies came out), but I subsequently had these thoughts:

I think with the changing landscape of the independent music industry, having a label is no longer a good criterion. We're going to see a lot more performers (including some important ones) putting out wholly-independent works, no label involved at all (in fact I know someone who stays pretty durn busy producing CD masters for such bands, under no label whatever, or sometimes under a label wholly-owned by the band itself). And some may go to no physical media at all, for that matter.

The same may eventually become true of authors.

Anyway, since it came to my attention, thought I would throw it up for y'all's future discussion (assuming it's not been argued before; I don't know where to look). At the moment I don't have any good notions on where to draw the line, since it may be damned hard to even track no-label or no-media releases.

Reziac (talk) 22:56, 17 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This is an excellent thought, and I'm sure I'm not the only one who finds it ironic that Wikipedia has difficulty adapting to "new media" criteria for notability. Realize, however, that all the criteria in WP:BAND are logical OR: any given band is notable if it can be verified to meet any one of those criteria. So even if there's no label producing the albums, if they get press in a respectable outlet--e.g., a local weekly--odds are they'll be notable. BTW, the talk page for WP:BAND (Wikipedia talk:Notability (music), if memory serves (sorry, slow link here)) would be a great place to bring this up. Cheers, Jclemens (talk) 02:58, 18 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Le Grand Guignol (metal band) (Why was this deleted?)

Hello, I recently was browsing through Wikipedia to see if I could find more information on a song I was listening to, and much to my dismay, the band's page had been deleted. May I ask why it was deleted (I could not find any history in regards to the subject). If I read A7 correctly, it appears that there might have been a misunderstanding, as the band has released at least one album under their current name at least one and a half years before to the article's deletion, and four under previous names [1].

If there indeed was a problem with the article, what might I be able to do upon recreating it to meet the proper criteria? Kev-Mas Colcha (talk) 04:10, 18 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well, you can start a brand new article--A7 doesn't prohibit a recreation. Be sure to read WP:BAND--A7 is a speedy deletion criterion, and it's entirely possible to create an article that isn't "speedily" deleted, but still doesn't meet inclusion criteria. If you'd like to see what the previous article entails, I can undelete it and move it into your userspace so you can use that as a starting point, but there's no guarantee that there's anything useful there--and it is at least 18 months out of date. Let me know... Jclemens (talk) 05:05, 18 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That would be appreciated, as it would make it a lot easier, regardless of the usefulness of the original article. Thanks. Kev-Mas Colcha (talk) 06:35, 18 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

OK, it's been moved to User:Kev-Mas Colcha/Le Grand Guignol (metal band). Cheers, Jclemens (talk) 15:50, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Again?

I've been approached offline about the possibility of running for adminship again. You were one of the opposers last time. What do you think? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 04:30, 18 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm on vacation at the moment, but given the spate of absolutely lousy and less experienced candidates I've seen lately, off the top of my head I'm thinking my oppose might be neutral this time. I'll review and get back to you in a couple of days. Jclemens (talk) 05:01, 18 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

So, since that RfA, what content have you been about creating or improving? I haven't seen the issues that most people griped about in your last RfA, since that RfA.... but neither have I seen anything else you've done. Jclemens (talk) 15:46, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi

I just want to let you know that you're my wikipedia hero. Keep up the great work. Wm.C (talk) 13:31, 21 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Velocitron AfD

Ah - well spotted. You might want to comment on the following as well.

Thanks - Black Kite (t) (c) 17:59, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! I try to work my way through the fictional elements DELSORTs throughout the day... :-) Jclemens (talk) 18:05, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Whoops, my fault - Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Steelhaven isn't a planet, it's a spacecraft, so your merge to the planets article doesn't apply (there doesn't appear to be a list of spacecraft article). Black Kite (t) (c) 17:26, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Heh. I'll fix that. Jclemens (talk) 17:28, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, actually there is, but it's just a copy of the category, so I've PRODded it (List of Transformers spacecrafts). Actually, I'll de-PROD it while these AfDs are going on. Black Kite (t) (c) 17:32, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

So why not just merge it there, and see if anyone reverts before AfD'ing it? Jclemens (talk) 17:34, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't realise that list existed before I did the AfDs. Indeed, it looks like User:Inniverse only created the list in reaction to the PRODs. Black Kite (t) (c) 20:17, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Fascinating. I hadn't checked the creation date, either. At any rate, I favor a trim-and-merge-all approach to both the planets and spaceships, and have done some work myself on the Babylon 5 planets and moons. I think it's the best compromise between inclusionism and deletionism in fictional topics. Jclemens (talk) 20:22, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I agree. I've got a whole load of actual Transformers characters next, but the problem is that because they appear in so many franchises there's no actual "List of ..." to merge them to in most cases. Plus most of the articles are vast slabs of plot summary and trivia ... this is one of the better ones! Black Kite (t) (c) 20:51, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Goldfields way

Hi, I see that you deleted this. I took a bit of interest in it - I found it while stub-sorting and it seemed a good faith first edit, probably from a very young editor who lives there. I left a note on their talkpage about it. It doesn't look as if they've been back to Wikipedia since creating that stub, but even if they had done they would not have been alerted to the PROD. Could you remind the PRODding editor that it's recommended to leave a warning on the creating editor's talkpage? Thanks. PamD (talk) 07:33, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I could, but so could you. Is there any particular reason you want me to do it? Cheers, Jclemens (talk) 15:44, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thank semi-spam

Thanks for your support at my RfA, which has been closed as successful. Cheers, Nikkimaria (talk) 15:58, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

List of The Punisher comics

You know i am so glade you did that. I mean due to all my work over the years on that page. Anyways! Thanks Holmes. Do you guys like The Punisher out there? Just wondering.

Pun_Fan —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pun Fan (talk • contribs) 01:05, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]