Talk:Civil parish

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I created this article by removing the England-related sections from Civil parish. I think it needs a fairly ruthless edit, for example reducing overlap with Parish councils in England. MRSC (talk) 07:56, 3 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think it needs merging with Parish councils in England. --Kudpung (talk) 14:01, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Strongly disagree with merger proposal. The "Civil Parish" article had become severaly cluttered with globalisation material, whcih was swamping the material on England. Conceivably, the scope of the English article should be "England and Wales", but they are now communities in Wales. Peterkingiron (talk) 23:06, 3 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Agree no merger as outlined on the other talk page. MRSC (talk) 14:48, 4 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Numbers

I'd like to get some accurate numbers about the parishes:

How many exist
How many have councils
How many have parish meetings instead
How many are grouped
How many have each alternative style
How many are deserted
How many are 'dormant' (thinking of Byfleet) [1]
How many are members of NALC

Is this information published regularly, or is it scattered? MRSC (talk) 08:17, 3 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I suspect that some of this information may be in the 2001 census. Another source might be the website of the National Association of Local Councils. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:53, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Vacant seats

Since being a parish councillor is an entirely unpaid post, it is not uncommon for their to be unfilled seats. Some one tagged a statement about this for citation, but if there are 8 candidates for 10 seats, it is inevitable there will be an unopposed election and vacancies afterwards, whcih can be filled like any other vacancy. This applies to my own parish council. On a previous election when this happened, the returning officer provided details of invalid nominations (probably submitted too late), and a cooption took place. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:17, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I tagged the sentence which until your revision just now read It is common in rural parishes for the number of seats available to exceed the number of candidates.' Although I can also draw on anecdotal evidence in this area I was not aware of this being a commom / widespread phenomenon or that there are any readily available statistics and suspect that no sufficiently robust ones could be unearthed on this but you never know some may have existed to enable a source to be provided. The statement was not self-evident, and the implication it was a common occurrence needed to be challenged by requiring verification. The term 'rural parishes' was also vague and needed qualification or removal. In the event if it could not be verified it would have to be revised or removed. By effectively eliminating the dubious statement completely with your revision you presumably also think this. Although I was open to someone finding some stats I also think your revision and the use of the word ‘sometimes’ is neutral in my view and properly addresses the issue.Tmol42 (talk) 18:22, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dissolution of Monastries

This is cited in the template as the origin of Civil Parishes. Yet the article identifies highway responsibility as deriving from an Act of 1555, and Poor Law responsibility from the Elizabethan period. So what responsibility did parishes ACTUALLY acquire in the 1530s? Certainly I have no reason to believe that the Dissolution directly substituted any liability on Parishes. Should not this be deleted? Peterkingiron (talk) 21:39, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Act that Henry VIII had passed to dissolve the monastaries transferred certain obligations from the monastaries to the state alongside the more notorious asset grab of property land etc. However, it was not until the passing of the Elizabethan Poor Law in 1601 that this was formalised and codified in law and a system of administation by parish appointed stewards etc came into being all be gradually. I added the latter legislation to the info box and would agree as it was more by consequence than by design that parishes took on this responsibility over by default until formalised in 1601 and so we could take the Dissolution Act out if others agree.Tmol42 (talk) 23:44, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I do not think that Wright & Hobhouse (which I have not read) can have any authroity for saying that the Dissolution of the Monastries founded civil parish responsibilities. Accordingly I would suggest that this be deleted. However, the Highways Act 1555 (or whatever it was) perhaps ought to appear. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:18, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Concensus?

Could someone kindly show me the concensus for the widespread replacement of the B-class Civil parish with the start-class Civil parishes in England that seems to be occuring in many articles at this moment? e.g. here and here. Also if the replacement has to occur, please make correct ES's. Both those changes (and many other articles were changed too) were not disambiguates as the ES says and also other changes not mentioned in the ES were made (such as date to year in references) --Senra (Talk) 23:56, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]