Talk:SS Admiral Nakhimov

Captain Tkachenko

I removed the following trivial fact until it can be proved by providing citations
"Captain Tkachenko changed his name to Taylor and moved to Israel. He later sank another ship off the coast of New Zealand." I find this highly unlikly that such a man would ever be allowed to take command of another ship and sink it. Mieciu K 15:19, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

• It was very small ship, yacht or somthing like this, which was belonged to Tkachenko. This is explained in russian wiki. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.119.24.210 (talk) 14:22, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

The usual major ships collision involves alcohol, that is a statiscal fact and so empiric you could even check it in wikipedia,(it happens), however in the investigation bit there is no talk of alcohol. Wich pretty much implies the tkachenko/taylor? guy purposedly maintained course contrary to what he explicitly stated. Not only that, he managed to hit her quitte lethally 20 minutes later, taking into consideration the immense dimensions of the sea and the relatively small sizes of the ships, also a remarkable feat. More so, as the passenger ship actually changed course. (10 degrees and a sharp turn to port) It is rather easy to calculate how you could destroy such an antiquated vessel the easiest. Using a modern ships bow ripping of the plates would be a good starter as old metal ships tend to loose their skins relatively easy, through the working of waves joints remain never as firm as in a new ship, relatively much hull would brake away. In that light (the light of someone thinking of that immediatly), i wonder how he got away with only 15 year and criminal neglecence. Can someone that wrote this article , or knows the case incorporate some information that would clear up what the russian court has been thinking? Perhaps they were just not really interested in extra attention, but i would guess they cleared him some way,(at least i think they must have cleared him from alcohol intoxication) my question is how? 77.251.179.188 23:04, 31 August 2007 (UTC) Kimslad (talk) 16:15, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Personal account

In July 1974 my wife and I were in Sochi and we were the only westerners to see the Admiral Nakhimov have a horrendous collision with the quay.

As we strolled around the harbour we saw the Admiral Nakhimov pull away from the quay with a bunch of excited Russians on board heading out for a cruise. We waved to each other and strolled further. After about 5 minutes we heard a clanging sound behind us and turned round to locate this very loud sound. The clanging was caused by the anchor chains banging on the hull. Both anchors were dropped and the ship was heading stern first at about 10 knots. When we saw it like this it was about 300 metres from the key and heading for it at a 90 degree angle. People on board were panicking and screaming. We ran towards the anticipated impact point, but when we were 150 metres from this point the ship hit the quay with a huge bang. The stern lifted up as it mounted the quay. People were hurt - maybe killed as they slid over into the water or landed hard on the quay being pitched over the rail. There was blood. As we ran towards it the police appeared and threatened us with drawn oistols so we had to beat it quickly. Instinct told me to slip away as fast as possible. We returned quickly to our hotel.

In the evening it was dark and we went out to a sea trip on a catermeran from the harbour. The Nakhimov was still there perched forlonly up the quay. There were lights all around it but no one was working. Next day it was screened from public view. We talked to two beautiful Ukrainian families we had met on the beach. We had become very friendly with them. We took them to the circus (our treat)and the two men of the family said “don 't say a word about this until you are out of the country you never can tell what may happen to people who talk about things like this" Two days later the ship had been towed away in the night.

They also told us that this was a "well-built German ship" and they suspected someone had been drinking. We could believe this because we had seen police men on point duty who were drunk and swigging vodka as they directed traffic! We followed their advice but I was a bit jumpy as we travelled on to Leningrad for another few days stay. There was not a mention of this incident in any media but we had seen people being maimed and killed. If this had happened in a British port it would have been reported all over the world.

Twelve years later whilst living in Plymouth, Devon we heard of the sinking of the Admiral Nikhimov and once again we remembered that terrible 1974 collision. We speculated that once again, someone had been drinking and maybe the ship's structure had been weakened in July 1974 ... Kimslad (talk) 16:15, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

“Russian Federation?”

The article claims some passengers were from the Russian Federation, which didn’t exist at the time of the accident in 1986. Would it be accurate to say they were from the Russian SFSR instead? Is that what the author meant? 193.227.108.10 (talk) 10:00, 31 August 2010 (UTC)