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The issue of names of city, personal name (etymology) and DAB articles

Please check Talk:Vladimir (disambiguation). --Irpen 21:32, August 10, 2005 (UTC)

Death of Grand Prince

Article says that the Grand Prince and his family died in a church during the siege. Judith Martin, Midieval Russia, page 154 says that Iurii Vsevolodich left his wife and 2 sons in the town and went to collect troops on the Volga. Page 176: he and 3 sons were killed at the battle of sit' river. I don't want to change without better sources Benjamin Trovato (talk) 03:27, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Edits by anon

As I told you before, the local officials in Vladimir, Kazan and elsewhere may date their town's founding to any date they like, seeking political gains for themselves, but they cannot change history. We know too much about early Russia to consider such shameless machinations seriously. I don't believe that any serious scholar would condescend to this dispute, as we have no evidence whatsoever that Vladimir had been an important settlement before Vladimir Monomakh. We may as well say that St Petersburg was founded not in 1703 but several centuries earlier and then assign its foundation to some ancient ruler named Peter or to Apostle Peter, if you like.

Anyway, as the history record of Vladimir (city) attests, I accepted many of your changes, but wikified them a bit and removed tidbits of ignorance. One of these was your calling Vladimir I (who was probably a propotype of the folklore hero named Vladimir the Fair Sun) Vladimir the "Red" Sun. I also expanded on the political context of the 12th century and underlined how much of the 12th-century politics was based on the fact that Vladimir was a minor and newly established settlement as compared to the older centers of wealth and power like Rostov and Suzdal.

You, for your own part, haven't commented yout insertions in any meaningful way. So it's for you to prove that Wikipedia needs to be flooded with unverified assertions of speculative nature. --Ghirlandajo 14:21, 17 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Medieval capital of Russia??

Dear author / editors,

In the current version you simply write that "Vladimir is the medieval capitol of Russia." In other words, sometime in the middle ages, there was a unified country called Russia of which V. was the capitol. Which, I'm sure you will agree, is misleading.

Sorry for not signing this message, I don't have a Wikipedia account.

Sergei S. 15 October 2005

Yury Dolgoruky

Yury Dolgoruky is mentioned in the article as the leader who moved the seat of Great Princes of Russia from Kiev to Vladimir. However, it is also written that "Vladimir had little political or military influence throughout the reign of Vladimir Monomakh (1113–1125), or his son Yury Dolgoruky", which sounds like a paradox to me. Would you please have a look also at the article in Russian Wikipedia about Suzdal and the relation between Andrei Bogolyubsky and Vladimir. --Flyax 13:04, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism

The article is vandalized from time to time; important chunks of text are deleted, and nobody bothers to restore them. Could anybody add it to his/her watchlist, so as to monitor prospective vandalism? --Ghirla^-трёп- 06:23, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I actually do have this article watchlisted, but I must have missed this particular diff. You, by the way, could have reverted it yourself instead of restoring some random 2006 revision which discarded useful edits along with reverting vandalism. In any case, I restored the latest revision and reinstated previously removed pieces, including the one about the controversy around the foundation date, which was removed on the basis of being too weasel and opinionated. You might want to re-phrase that particular one to prevent it from being removed in the future on the same grounds. Best,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 13:12, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As a given name

Vladimir is most definitely NOT Russian for John. John is a biblical name of Hebrew origin, while Vladimir is purely Slavic. Can this misleading information be removed?