User talk:KJP1

William Burges (architect)

You're welcome. I found it by chance when I was trying to fix the links to Saint Mary's. The pages about Studley Royal and Fountains Abbey have had a major reorganisation in the last month or so. It would be really good if you could add something about the church to Studley Royal Park#St Mary's Church and the deer park. You could give the church an article of its own if you have enough material - if you do, you would need to adjust the entry on the St. Mary's Church disambiguation page. CarolGray 18:36, 4 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The material on St. Mary's at Fountains looks fantastic! Is there any chance you could add some footnotes in the text indicating where in the book on Burges you sourced your information - i.e. page numbers. Even one at the end of each paragraph would be good. --Madmedea 19:13, 4 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Actually the same would be good for your additions to William Burges - I know its a pain but it brings up the robustness of wikipedia's verifiability - for help on footnotes see WP:CITE. --Madmedea 19:17, 4 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ooh, you wouldn't believe it but Forthampton is about 10 miles from where I work! Yes that will be a nice day out next weekend. If I get pics I'll put them in the Wikimedia Commons so you can look at them. I take it you're not in the UK. Here is one of my favourite gothic masterpieces - not a Burges, but not everything can be. Almshouses in Aberford, West Yorkshire. I'd love to see inside them but they're owned privately. Madmedea 21:20, 4 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

ABC of referencing

Right.... here is the ABC of referencing in wikipedia. The ideal thing is to cite every "fact" that you've included - as then if somebody comes along and edits after you it is still clear where each piece of evidence comes from - and it means that every piece of informations is verifiable. In reality, this rarely happens as it is such a pain in the behind and people rarely do it that thoroughly. But to get an article up to "featured status" this is the ideal to aim for. WP:CITE gives you all the basics of your citation options.

Personally I prefer using footnotes with a full citation in a references section. I've just implemented this in Studley Royal Park if you want to have a look. For every work used it requires a full description in the "references" section - Wikipedia:Citation templates can be used to help with this as they format it automatically for you. Then in the footnote you can normally get away with just using the author's surname, the title of the work, and the page the information is sourced from inbetween the footnote tags. If you've been on a Burges bonanza then it might be easier to just make sure you cite from now on and go back and add them in when you get a chance... otherwise you might die of boredom.

I hope you don't mind but I'm going to go into the William Burges page and add some sections and formatting - I'm a stickler for wikification. Feel free to come back with any questions about wikipedia, I've been at this for only a few months - I'm sure you'll learn the ropes in no time. Madmedea 19:40, 4 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Happy to help - we're all learning here. I'm just very impressed with someone that knows so much about Burges (love his work). Don't worry too much about tags on your articles - unless they mention the word "delete" it just mean some aspect or other needs fixing. Feel free to ask any questions... I'm happy to help. And just one last tip - for any comment you make on a user talk page like this or on an article's talk page you can sign you name with four "tildes" (the wiggly symbol on the # key - and it will sign your username and put a link to your pages. Madmedea 20:07, 4 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Hendre

You can upload images from anywhere, as long as they are released under the GNU Free Documentation License (or another license from this list). The easiest would be to upload your own photos so that you're free to release them under such free licenses, but if you write to the Monmouth Golf Club and you can persuade them to release their photos under the GFDL that's also okay. Flyingtoaster1337 01:03, 5 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. Lifting from most internet sites is not okay, because most people copyright their work to restrict who can use it and how. Free licenses require that anyone can distribute, modify and distribute their modifications of the work. Flyingtoaster1337 01:11, 5 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Hendre

Thanks. Decided to get some of my old information about TH Wyatt together and put it into order on these pages. Begun to do some cross linking to other pages as well. I have some original material about the Hendre from the local records, all collected as part of a thesis in the 1970s, including some more original photos of not very good quality

Happy to swap views about what would be useful to work on

Uneirlys 08:56, 11 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wyatt/Hendre

Thanks for your interest. In 1970 I went through the material on Hendre in the Monmouthshire Record Office. This was for a small thesis as part of my degree which covered some other of Wyatt's work. I did go to Llantarnam Abbey and to Malpas Court.

Looking back my notes are rather thin and I suspect that others have redone some of what I did as the entry in Pevsner for Gwent is reasonably comprehensive. Back then all the notes were handwritten and my photocopies have suffered badly. Got seduced over the last few weeks into trying to get the whole picture of Wyatt together and have been trawling Pevsner and the rest of the net. There still seems to be no detailed biography. I have a call out for the book: Wyatts - an architectural dynasty.

I have set up a separate web store for the material I collect that does not properly fit into the Wikipedia format. It is a mess at the moment but I will give it some structure shortly.

Would be happy to scan and load up material there as I go but may wish to keep it for controlled access rather than widely open until it looks more respectable. The thesis is certainly a bit naive from this long perspective.

Uneirlys 22:30, 5 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion of Gayhurst House, Buckinghamshire

A tag has been placed on Gayhurst House, Buckinghamshire requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about about a person, organization (band, club, company, etc.) or web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the page does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that they userfy the page or have a copy emailed to you. Cabe6403 ^{(Talk•Sign!)} 12:38, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, if you believe the article should remain just add the {{hangon}} tag to the page and write your justification on the talk page. If the page does get deleted or even for future reference try creating a draft in your userspace before hand, see WP:SUBPAGES or simply go to User:KJP1/Draft of article or whatever you'd like to call the page.

Thanks for contributing to wikipedia! -- Cabe6403 ^{(Talk•Sign!)} 12:47, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

At the time I looked at the article you had created it was little more than a sentence. As stands now you have added more content and references, if I had come across the article as it is now I doubt I would have tagged it with a speedy deletion tag.

There is no need to attack my contributions which I felt you did when you said "The notability of an article on Gayhurst House as opposed to, for example, an article on a cocktail called "Quick Fuck" is something we could perhaps both reflect on." I don't know where you are from but that is a popular cocktail in many bars including ones I work in and is no different in notability to Slippery nipple. As is the case with many speedy deletion tags they can be placed on an article perhaps not deserving of it. Should this article meet WP:N requirements then an admin will decline the speedy tag. You would do well on wikipedia not to criticise the contributions of other users especially in an area you may not be familiar with. I tagged the article not on the notability of Gayhurst house but because the article was little more than a sentence when I tagged.

--Cabe6403 ^{(Talk•Sign!)} 14:02, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Park House

Hi KJP1,

I have no problem at all with your new edit and you are right to restore McConnochie House to the article. Thanks Seth Whales (talk) 08:10, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

William Burges

Hi!

Firstly, weblinks are easy to do: [http://www.awebsite.com The title of the website] (remember to put the http://). Secondly, I'm not sure about pictures. I haven't really used them much in Wikipedia articles before, but you'll probably find some useful info here. Mr_pand [talk | contributions] 09:09, 15 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

William Burges, Josiah Conder and Tatsuno Kingo

Hello

I have added the reference you requested to the William Burges page as follows:

Dallas Finn, Meiji Revisited: The Sites of Victorian Japan, Weatherhill, 1995 ISBN 978-0834802889

It is an interesting and useful source for Japanese architecture. Regards --Historian (talk) 23:58, 10 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

October 2009

Welcome to Wikipedia. The recent edit you made to Monmouth School has been reverted, as it appears to introduce incorrect information. Please do not intentionally add incorrect information to articles. All information in this encyclopedia must be verifiable in a reliable, published source. If you believe the information that you added was correct, please cite the references or sources or before making the changes, discuss them on the article's talk page. Please use the sandbox for testing. You may also wish to read the introduction to editing. Thank you. Posted By Alex Waelde (talk) 06:20, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Response

hey there i appreciate your speedy response and justification. of course i will assume good faith :) i'll admit im still learning too and im glad to see how the article is shaping up. keep up the good work. if you need any help with anything just let me know. Posted By Alex Waelde (talk) 04:59, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Monmouth School

Hello KJP1, thank you for your message. At a glance, it appears that article Monmouth School has a sufficient quantity of references that a top-page banner template shouldn't really be necessary. I do however see some duplicate references that should be merged. Though I'm unfamiliar with the subject in question, I'll go now, to see what productive adjustments I'm able to make for you. -- WikHead (talk) 08:56, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've made some minor adjustments which seem a bit more up to speed... and hope you are a bit happier with the article in the state I left it. I will be going back in a moment to make sure I've merged all repeating references. However, if you are really interested in cleaning things up, I would highly recommend that you format those references with cite templates (see Template:Citation for details). Have yourself a great day KJP1, and happy editing! :) -- WikHead (talk) 09:36, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi KJP1. Thanks for the encouragement. I maybe have enough info on him for a stub or a short article but not a lot. Would ie be a good idea maybe to write something and see how i comes out?Cymrog (talk) 18:45, 31 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cardiff Castle

Hi, just a couple of notes on this edit. I'm assuming JN 194 and MH 93 mean John Newman 1995, page 194 and Hall 2009, page 93 respectively. As the article has a bibliography, when adding citations you only need to give the author's surname, the year of the publication, and page number so you don't have to repeat the bibliographic information again. However, JN and MH are a little ambiguous. Also, if you wrap the citation in referencing code (eg: <ref>Newman 1995, p. 194</ref>) the citation will appear in the references section rather than in the prose. Also, when describing the castle as "magnificent" etc, it's good practice to state who said (separately from the citation) it as it's an opinion. So

His imagination, his scholarship and his sheer high spirits combine to make Cardiff Castle the most successful of all the fantasy castles of the nineteenth century. JN 194

would become

In the opinion of historian John Newman, Burges' imagination, his scholarship and his sheer high spirits combine to make Cardiff Castle the most successful of all the fantasy castles of the nineteenth century.<ref>Newman 1995, 194</ref>

Finally, is that actually a quote, or have you paraphrased it? Nev1 (talk) 23:29, 23 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's slightly paraphrased, but it's a good quote from Newman's text. FruitMonkey (talk) 23:44, 23 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Cardiff Castle

We can't use question marks in an article. We can't ask question , rhetorical or otherwise. It's just not encyclopaedic. FruitMonkey (talk) 23:43, 23 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, we all want a good article. But it must be factual and dry, with opinion cited as such. 'The Buildings of Wales, Glamorgan' is a fantastic start and I would really focus on that as a valid and accepted text. I'll back off for a while, but I will edit where I believe we are adding unencyclopedic references. Enjoy. FruitMonkey (talk) 23:55, 23 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately dry is a byword. Anything that can be seen as opinion, ie. anything ending in -est or starting with 'the most...' is constantly challenged. I always stick to the facts, and only use opinion if I can lend a valid cite to back the statement. FruitMonkey (talk) 00:09, 24 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's fine to include opinion as long as it's made clear that it is opinion rather than fact. For example According to Pevsner such and such a building is "the one of the finest examples of xyz architecture in all of Europe". Ideally, an article should be engaging; facts don't have to be dry. Cardiff Castle is an interesting structure and this can be achieved without grandiose statements, and by sticking to the facts. The important thing is to try to keep our own opinions out of articles. Nev1 (talk) 00:28, 24 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Really sound, helpful advice. The grandiose, and self-opinionated, has always been a weakness with me. Will seek to learn. KJP1 (talk) 00:39, 24 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Burges' tomb

Yesterday I was able to get a snap and upload an image - first time I've done this so hopefully it worked ok. At first glance, it looks to be a lined, deep vault, rather than a simple burial. Ephebi (talk) 10:20, 1 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That's fabulous. Many thanks. I still haven't managed to get there. Now I just have to work out how to upload it into Burges. KJP1 (talk) 19:09, 1 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome. You just need to include the same instruction as I did at the top of this section ; e.g. the line starting [ [ File : ... in fact, I've just done it myself. Ephebi (talk) 11:57, 2 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You're very kind. It looks great, although I must confess to being somewhat disappointed by the tomb itself, which I had anticipated would be somewhat "grander". But I must go someday, to pay homage. Thanks again. KJP1 (talk) 21:33, 2 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

curiously, a lot of the architects and builders at West Norwood built some of the less ostentatious memorials; however, by being shaped low, and with solid foundations, they have ensured that they have survived the depredations of time quite well. Burges' low sarcophagus demonstrates this, as it has survived well in the same shape. With a dozen or more personalities at WNC (see my home page) an architectural visit homage could be a major event! Ephebi (talk) 00:18, 3 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Hendre Pictures

I've uploaded some new pictures of The Hendre to the article which you might be interested to take a look at! I've also submitted a request to the welsh archives to allow the use of a picture of a portrait of Lady Georgiana Rolls which would make an excellent addition to the article if they agree, I'll let you know the outcome... --Ithundir (talk) 19:02, 31 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The oil is a picture in my grandmother's house, The Hendre was in our hands until the 1980s and she used to visit her parents in law there when the house was in a much better state... --Ithundir (talk) 10:44, 1 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I suspect you actually know more about it than I do, my memories are hazy at best, all I remember is running through the attic rooms at night absolutely terrified because I thought there were ghosts and sneaking downstairs to the library were my great-grandmother would read to me and we'd eat chocolates! I was always in awe every time I visited but haven't been back in about a decade. My grandmother knows a lot and has books on it so next time I go down I'll do some serious note-taking and scanning! It's so good to know another person passionate about the house, all that's needed are a couple of people like us to make it a really great article... --Ithundir (talk) 22:38, 1 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Manchester Law Library

Its good. Keep up the good work.♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:21, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'll second that - I grew up in Manchester (and I am lawyer though only practised in London) and never knew it existed! Gentle reminder, please use edit summaries. Thanks. – ukexpat (talk) 16:30, 6 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hendre

Hi

Just picked up you messages - I have been preoccupied elsewhere. I will take a look at your points and see what I can add.

Regards --Uneirlys (talk) 17:29, 8 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]