Talk:Shin (letter)

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Colless citation

A citation is needed to Colless's work for verification. Michael Sheflin (talk) 21:12, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

To Albright as well. Michael Sheflin (talk) 21:16, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pronunciation...

... because it's so clear what š means. Not. Can we have some IPA symbols/links? I refer you to http://forum.wordreference.com/showthread.php?t=1686672

-- TimNelson (talk) 09:23, 9 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, for Semitic transcription, I would argue that S1, S2, and S3 (and S.) are more useful than IPA. In large part this is because it makes the relationship between S^ in Ugaritic (for instance) and S in Arabic more obvious in that both (this is a controversial example, I know) are inextricably linked in the word "soul" (NFS^ and NFS respectively) but that the former is S2 and the latter is S1. Likewise, some of the information on this page is inimical to the truth. Both S and S^ (sin and shin/S1 and S2) are orthographically separate but also highly unstable (as in that previous example). Therefore, at a certain point of convergence, the word for Moses in Arabic and Hebrew was pronounced the same (Musha) because the Arabic sin was pronounced as S^ until a fairly late point. This information comes from a conglomeration of sources, most prominently Woodward's (ed.) book (2008). I've given up on Wiki. Nevertheless, I find it repeatedly amusing to point out how poorly these articles are written. Cheers! Michael Sheflin (talk) 06:40, 6 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Also, I'd like to repeat my objection of how offensive it is that the "Semitic" alphabet is a Judaism-WikiProject (whose modern successors survive only as the multitude of languages in Ethiopia, Eritrea, and to a certain extent Sudan and Chad; Arabic, Hebrew, and Assyrian (I am not intentionally omitting anything, there are probably others I am forgetting)). I find it as offensive as if Beowulf or the Latin alphabet were WikiProject-Christianity; although actually Beowulf has greater relevance than these alphabets (to Judaism). Awful organization. Michael Sheflin (talk) 06:45, 6 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

lucifer

The shin is also apparently used by satanists to symbolize their god lucifer. Can someone confirm this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.67.96.43 (talk) 07:19, 4 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"Satanism" is 98% pop culture. Even if this might have been said at some point by somebody doesn't make it "real" in any meaningful sense. If you have a good reference, fair enough, but such things are made up on the go all the time. --dab (𒁳) 10:11, 4 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sin/Shin dot

I think there is a problem with the display of the Sin vs Shin dot. On my screen they both appear to be on the left side of the ש. AJseagull1 (talk) 07:04, 12 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]