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That is true. It is a spoiler. And I am kind of curious as to why that character is still in the opening credits... perhaps it is a little too soon to really say they're gone for good. Emily 16:59, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
List of Smallville Allusions=
Why was that page deleted? It says it was defunct but why? --70.225.186.158 15:22, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Needs more detail
This template should be expanded to include things like the Smallville: Chloe Chronicles, LuthorCorp, Wall of Weird, Smallville (comics) etc. Davey4 11:35, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Actors
Apparently there was a TfD for the actors of Smallville, which was closed as a merge to this template. My first problem is the fact that the TfD was not advertised on any Smallville related page, or WP:TV, as it should have been. My second problem is the result of a "merge" (which is typically not what TfD is for, plus I question how 2 "merge" votes become the consensus when 3 other people said delete flat out) to a page that was not aware of the discussion. Finally, my problem is with the inclusion of the material. This is a template for all of the articles that are only related to Smallville the show. These actors are not only related to Smallville. We don't typically include a "cast list" in a film/television nav box. Otherwise the list would be incredibly long (as can clearly be seen here). The original template should have been deleted flat out, as the actors do not need a nav box to begin with. The assumption that you need to know who Jensen Ackles is when visiting Tom Welling's page is a weak one, because the character was on the show for 1 season and didn't do anything significant. He also is not notable because he was on Smallville. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 13:37, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
- Bignole, I will agree that the actors needs to be on the template. I have something similar on a template I created. The actors, though how unsignifigant they were, deserve to be put in a "Starring" section, NOT an "Actors" section. Putting all the series regulars throughout the show should help navigation.ChaosMaster16 (talk) 13:51, 12 August 2009 (UTC)ChaosMaster16
- Help how? This isn't a template for them. Most of them are established actors before Smallville. Would you create a template for every show they've starred on? There is a reason the template was deleted itself, because we don't list actors together that show only a menial association with each other. John Schneider has no direct connection to Sam Witwer. We don't include actors on film navs, why would we do it here? BIGNOLE (Contact me) 14:02, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
- We will be listing series regulars, which have signifigantly larger roles than anyone else on Smallville. Thus, they are important. It doesn't matter if they were established actors before the show or if they are not alive anymore. No, I would not make a template soley for the actors, I would make one with the episodes, seasons, exc. (like this template), and add a starring section. Speaking of John Schneider, he is in my other template, and even though he left the show after the first season of it, he was a season regular.ChaosMaster16 (talk) 14:14, 12 August 2009 (UTC)ChaosMaster16
- Again, Jenson Ackles was a "series regular" but didn't really have a significant role in season four. If you removed him you still had the same story arc taking place. He wasn't even included in on the story arc till the last few episodes because he was leaving the show. Then you have Aaron Ashmore who, up until the finale, portrayed Jimmy Olsen. The character is significant, but on the show he was barely even present. It's an unnecessary list, given that all of the actors are listed on all of the pages that they are relevant to. Again, we do not do this for film nav boxes, and we don't do it for the majority of TV nav boxes. This seems to be more about accommodating a template that never should have been created in the first place. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 14:54, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
- We will be listing series regulars, which have signifigantly larger roles than anyone else on Smallville. Thus, they are important. It doesn't matter if they were established actors before the show or if they are not alive anymore. No, I would not make a template soley for the actors, I would make one with the episodes, seasons, exc. (like this template), and add a starring section. Speaking of John Schneider, he is in my other template, and even though he left the show after the first season of it, he was a season regular.ChaosMaster16 (talk) 14:14, 12 August 2009 (UTC)ChaosMaster16
- Help how? This isn't a template for them. Most of them are established actors before Smallville. Would you create a template for every show they've starred on? There is a reason the template was deleted itself, because we don't list actors together that show only a menial association with each other. John Schneider has no direct connection to Sam Witwer. We don't include actors on film navs, why would we do it here? BIGNOLE (Contact me) 14:02, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
- I always thought navboxes were for connecting articles relating to a certain subject. Not those only relating to a single subject. The actors are integral to the show. Without actors there would be no show! Yes, the list needs to be trimmed, but I don't think their mention should be deleted completely. BOVINEBOY2008 16:20, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
- Trimming the list leads to favoritism with characters/actors, and having it as a "series regular" catch all will include many people that don't really need to be listed. The actors are integral to making the show, yes, but you don't list them in a nav box. Otherwise, what's to stop you from listing all of the directors (they're just as important), or the writers, or the executive producers, or Mark Snow, or Remy Zero, or Entity FX, or Superman (the character), or Clark Kent (the comic character)? I could go on. You can please six-degrees of separation with anything. Minus the last two I listed, everyone else is just as connected as the actors. There is a reason we have all of those people listed at Smallville, because the nav box would just grow exponentially if we listed them all and playing favorites with who we list (whether in a specific section or by what sections to actually include) is not only unfair but creates a conflict of interest. Who gets to decide which sections are important enough to include. That's why the template never included those "behind-the-scenes" players before - which includes actors, since they are both in-front of the scenes and behind the scenes. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 16:27, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
- Okay, what are you going to do about {{House}}, {{CSI: Crime Scene Investigation}}, {{30 Rock}}, {{Friends}}, {{Firefly}}, {{The Simpsons}}, {{Family Guy}}, etc.? I see you reasoning, but this is a discussion you should be bringing up at the project. BOVINEBOY2008 16:41, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
- I think you are correct, this is probably something that needs to be addressed on a larger scale either at WP:TV or WP:MOSTV (given that the later deals with style guidelines). BIGNOLE (Contact me) 19:31, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
This discussion has moved to WT:TV#Navigation boxes. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 21:28, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
Books
Book:Seasons of Smallville and Book:Smallville (season 1), are seperate books with different scopes, much like Book:Seasons of The Simpsons and Book:The Simpsons (season 1) are seperate books with different scopes. Both should be linked, as well as any new books related to Smallville as they get created. Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 11:19, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
- No they are not. Seasons of Smallville lists all of the seasons. If you click "Season 1" on that page, you get the same page as "Book:Smallville (season 1)". All we need is one master page, you are not providing "new pages" for the template. You are simply providing a page that provides a PDF version of pages already linked. We do not need multiple links to pages that already listed. Show me where it says they have to all be listed. Also, please follow WP:BRD. You have been reverted by two separate editors who disagree with you. Unless you can show some policy that says every individual book page should be listed in the template, then I don't agree with including a link to every individual page. Otherwise, you'd have to link to the episode pages that are listed, and the character pages. It's all clutter. There's no point to have them. You should have a master page that lists all of the individual pages that have books, and that's it. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 14:28, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
- "If you click "Season 1" on that page, you get the same page as "Book:Smallville (season 1)." No you don't, books are collections of articles that can be printed or downloaded. If you print Smallville (season 1), you don't get the same things as printing Book:Smallville (season 1), so no this is not the same thing at all. And yes usually it's good practice to lump everything in navboxes, including episodes. See {{LostEpisodes}} for an example. Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 14:55, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
- You're right, when you click "season 1" in "Seasons of Smallville" you don't get "Book: Smallville (season 1)"...but why shouldn't you? Why should you even have the books listed on the template anyway? They are not separate pages of Wikipedia. They should be individual links on each respective page. It doesn't make sense to clutter a template with pages that are not separate. Otherwise, I could make the argument to include the different language versions of each page, a link to WikiCommons, a link to Wikiquote, a link to so many other things. There is no relevance in the nav box for them, because the nav box is for navigating between pages, not one stop shopping for books. Those book links should be listed individually, not cluttered on nav boxes. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 15:11, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
- No they aren't, not in the sense that the show anything new. They are only separate in the sense of providing a different look at the same page. In other words, they're only as separate as the "Printable version" of the page that appears to the left in the quick links. Which, btw, also already includes a link to the book version of the page and a PDF version of the page. I've realized that this disagreement is apparently wider-spread than just you and I. I've started a discussion at the WikiBooks home page. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 15:23, 6 May 2010 (UTC)