Talk:M (New York City Subway service)

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Do we really need that section? I don't think it's important to go into that detail about the subway service. I mean, the crunch of the service details are already in the summary and subway service pattern. The M is the only article that has this section.The Legendary Ranger 10:54, 12 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Alleged confusion

An editor has tried several times to insert:

When it runs its full length, the M is the only line in the entire system that leaves and re-enters the same borough (Brooklyn). During rush hours, this is sometimes a source of confusion for riders boarding in Manhattan seeking a "Brooklyn-bound" M train.

The first sentence is obvious. I don't know how interesting or relevant it is, but it is clearly true. But the second sentence is an opinion, and therefore needs to be backed up with reliable sources. It isn't sufficient that an editor thinks it is true or has experienced it himself. Without verification, it is considered original research.

For what it's worth, the statement seems dubious. The M is almost exclusively a commuter train. And a commuters—people who ride the same route every day—will generally know where they are going, practically in their sleep.

But in any case, I have no obligation to disprove the statement. The burden of proof is on the editor who wishes to add it. Please find a reliable source (something you can cite with a footnote, such as a newspaper article). Otherwise, however true you may believe it to be, it has no place in Wikipedia. Marc Shepherd (talk) 21:40, 21 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am not sure if it is confusing to riders. However, it is still a fact that at that time, the M runs through the same borough twice in one trip, so I added that fact in, but no the opinion about riders being confused about this. I mean, after September 11, the J also ran through the same borough twice replacing the R in Brooklyn. The Legendary Ranger (talk) 17:46, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I can live with that fact written in without the "opinion", because it what makes the M unique. While daily riders of the M will not be confused by the M going to Brooklyn twice, there are people who do not ride the M normally and then have to take the M for whatever reason to Brooklyn. I have seen several cases where people looking for some stop on the M in Brooklyn and then look horrified and get off when they figure out that their train is running in the opposite direction (though the train is in Brooklyn). Here's a conversation I had with an individual at Fulton Street...

Dude: Is this the M to Brooklyn?

Me: Yeah. What stop are you looking for?

Dude: Flushing Ave.

Me: Go to the opposite platform. Walk down to the A/C platform, walk down the platform and find the stairs that leads back up to the Queens bound M side. That M train will go to your stop first [I say Queens side because no train on this platform heads to Queens.]

If I just said yeah in response to his original question, he would have headed to Brooklyn and then wondered where is Flushing Ave. I've had similar conversations with other customers.

But this stuff is unsourceable (if that's a word) so I'll leave the "opinion" out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.3.8.253 (talk • contribs) 15:54, 24 December 2007

Infobox

Can someone please update the NYCS service infobox for the M to reflect the change to the orange bullet, and, preferably, update the map?

The bullet to be used is here: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NYCS-bull-trans-M.svg>

Thanks!Avman89 (talk) 05:34, 26 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The map is still of the Lower Manhattan routing. How do we update that? --69.91.134.161 (talk) 09:12, 27 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Not exactly sure, but I believe the map might have to be manually edited and updated.--IGeMiNix (talk) 03:35, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

As you may have noticed, I took care of editing the map, as well as maps for the G and Q lines. I also took the liberty of editing templates and information on several non-English versions of this page, to which the map and the orange M bullet have already propagated. R36 (talk) 22:51, 3 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nice, although it seems the M page still needs a refresh for the current map to show up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by IGeMiNix (talk • contribs) 05:47, 5 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Revert

Why was this reverted? The M to Broad Street ended already. IGeMiNix (talk) 05:54, 26 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I don't understand that either. The service changes do not go into effect until tomorrow, that's true. But the weekend shuttle service is the same before and after the service change and the weekday service is a moot point. If that person thinks waiting one day will change anything, then he has no common sense. Tinlinkin (talk) 06:06, 26 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Lol yeah well it's sad to see Nassau M go but times are rough. The M logo on the upper right still needs to change to Orange.--IGeMiNix (talk) 06:17, 26 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The file in question, File:NYCS-bull-trans-M.svg, has been updated. It's going to take some time for the server to refresh the pages to the new image if I understand the mechanics correctly, hopefully not too long. Tinlinkin (talk) 06:51, 26 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Off hour shuttles

Could you guys please stop changing it. The 5, M and R trains operates as shuttles during off hour service. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.189.168.173 (talk) 14:42, 5 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Railroad Directions

As the M is the only route that actually changes railroad directions...I am going to note that in the infobox in the next edit. --AEMoreira042281 (talk) 16:11, 5 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You guys need to settle this with the IP because he just keeps getting other IPs and changing it.--iGeM iN ix 16:52, 19 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

There seems to be some confusion over railroad directions in the Eastern Division. Although the track numbers are south leaving Manhattan and north towards Manhattan; operationally they are north leaving Manhattan, and south towards Manhattan. The J and Z's north terminal is Jamaica Center and the south terminal is Broad Street. The M does not technically have a southern terminal because it travels through the Chrystie Street cut. The statement about railroad directions was inserted in June 2010 for someone looking at the Jamaica Line stations. Otherwise, all stations shared by the J and M would have contradicting next north and south stations. With the exception of the M, all other trains in the NYC Subway have only one north terminal and one south terminal. Acps110 ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:21, 20 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The South terminal of the M train is Metropolitan avenue. The M never changes railroad directions. A southbound M at Marcy will make Hewes street next, while a southbound J at Marcy will make Essex next. You are correct- the J and M DO have contradicting next stations at every shared stop. There is NO contradiction in direction on the M line. It is entirely southbound in both track and service from Continental to Metropolitan. Like any other line, the M has a north and a south terminal, literally, technically, figuratively, however you wish to call it. The J however has a change. Southbound J trains are running on the Northbound track from Jamaica Center to Chambers. 71.190.36.20 (talk) 17:51, 20 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]