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Imsogb

(if the link above is red then disregard this) :) I tagged the page with some very gentle tags suggesting the page needs alot of work. The author then deleted the tags and proceeded to do no more work on the page. I believe it is probably a great candidate for speedy but I wanted him to see the consensus of other editors. Either way the article is pretty poor and should be removed one way or another.Golgofrinchian (talk) 14:19, 20 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, you are quite right to err on the side of caution. I could have deleted it immediately, but like you I want the author to understand we don't tolerate spam, so I've left it up to another admin to delete. As far as I can see you never fully completed the AfD process anyway. You certainly did the right thing by tagging it, and don't hesitate to ask me if you're not sure what tags to use.--Kudpung (talk) 14:25, 20 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the help! Yea I am a new Huggle user and I try to be as gentle as I can. I thought I did the AfD correctly. Please feel free to fix it so I can see what I did wrong. I really do want to learn and I usually emulate what I have seen other users do. Thanks again Golgofrinchian (talk) 14:28, 20 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I can't use Huggle because it doesn't work on Mac. I guess it's OK for vandal fighting, but for New Page Patrol I think Twinkle is better and safer - there are so many other tasks that have to be done to new pages, and Twinkle does it all except perhaps for adding stub templates. It does the whole process for making AfD - if it doesn't, check out the Twinkle page or the Village Pump (tech), for possible bug reports. --Kudpung (talk) 14:54, 20 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Imsogb

I shall come back with more relevant and solid stuff. Thanks a lot. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sp651 (talk • contribs) 14:43, 20 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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CSD question

Hello Kudpung. I thought I would take you up on your offer for advice regarding CSD criteria. A question: I've seen a number of "articles" that are basically a person's résumé. Here is one recent example. What CSD criteria, if any, would you suggest be applied to such pages? A7? G11? I notice the other patrollers have generally not been tagging these for speedy deletion, so I thought I would solicit your opinion. Thanks, 28bytes (talk) 19:23, 20 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

We should add an uncatagorized CSD criteria for all those sticky ones. That's how some of the iffy articles make it through, they don't fall under and CSD category..but they really shouldn't be there. Tofutwitch11 (TALK) 20:04, 20 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I think that would be a very dangerous path to tread. The key strength of CSD is that it is very strictly only for certain categories that have been decided in advance by the community as being uncontroversial. If we should extend that to include "or any other reason you please" we'll have all kinds of things that people (and admins) think should be speedy deleted but which would not be uncontroversial. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 20:49, 20 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I completely understand that -- and what I said had a hint of saracasim (though not able to be picked up via text). It's just frustrating when you know it shouldn't be there, but can't decide why. Tofutwitch11 (TALK) 23:14, 20 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Ah :-) And yes, I do know the frustration when you see some complete b....... that just doesn't fit a speedy category -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 23:34, 20 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I thoroughly agree that it's frustrating that we do not have CSD criteria to cover every case and that utter bs sometimes has to fester for seven days while the community decides on its fate. Problem is, while Wikipedia has a largely inclusionist philosophy, it's actually run by what appears to be a slight majority of deletionists. I'm not in either camp, but I do find it an affront to my intelligence to be expected to copyedit and find refs for a page that was posted by an SPA for purely promotional purposes.
As for Alex Chu Executive Creative Director, the answer (for me at l east) is clear: {{Db-multiple|G11|A7}} (person/org + advertising) plus a {{uw-auto}} (Don't warite about yourself) tag for good measure; there's no doubt whatsoever that posting a CV is bltant promotion. All tags serve two distinct purposes: they alert regular editors and admins that an article needs attention, and they inform creators and 'non regular' editors what they are doing wrong or what needs improving. It is important that new page patrollers begin to understand that there is a lot more than just looking at a page and slapping a tag on it in fifteen seconds. It generally takes five minutes to check the edit history to locate the author, check the creator's history for previous warnings and vandalism to other pages, incorrectly created pages, and sockpuppetry, and stub tags added and the project banner added to the talk page. I'm gradually loosing my patience with the Hugglers who think they can accurately patrol pages at a rate of six a minute. Kudpung (talk) 03:05, 21 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Kudpung; that's useful information. 28bytes (talk) 03:21, 21 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Kudpung, it looks like you notified the page's creator about tagging it for deletion; however, I don't see your name in the page's edit history (it's never been tagged for deletion). Am I missing something here? Airplaneman ✈ 03:15, 21 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

What happened was that this creator had also created another unusual article the same day, that was rather unconnected with his CV. I started hunting around for possible sockpupetry and then the Wikipedia server went off line and I was called away to RL and left the intervention unfinished. Kudpung (talk) 03:31, 21 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, I see. I misread your tag. Since Alex Chu Creative Director and Alex Chu Executive Creative Director are identical, and CSD reasoning seems obvious, I have deleted the latter page using the same reason as the one for its sister page. A source search also doesn't bring anything substantial so A7 could have applied as well. Airplaneman ✈ 03:39, 21 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't delete the page immediately myself because I wanted the creator to reflect on the situation. Actually, if you look at the page source you will see that my CSD template is there as I had in fact placed it manually (Twinkle can't do multiple criteria, and maybe should be modified to do so). Perhaps you could take a look and tell me why it was not displaying and why the edit wasn't recorded in the history - perhaps there is a coding element missing, ior perhaps it was the problem with Wikipedia server. Cheers, --Kudpung (talk) 03:44, 21 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I've noticed that while Twinkle usually applies the article tags then notifies the article creator, occasionally sometimes the second task will complete before the first (at least going by the order in my contribution history). Could be that the creator notification completed but the article tagging timed out. 28bytes (talk) 03:57, 21 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
This was definitely a manual opoeration that I made, because there is no (TW) in the es of the user talk page edit summary. I suppose the failure of the CSD template I manually applied on the article could have been due to time out, because the template code is there in the page source. There are lots of bugs with twinkle at the moment, and lots of server problems. Kudpung (talk) 04:06, 21 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I'm confused. Was the edit not recorded in the Alex Chu Creative Director or the Alex Chu Executive Creative Director article? For the Alex Chu Creative Director article, I can see your edit in the history. For the Alex Chu Executive Creative Director article, I neither see your edit nor any CSD template code in the history of the article. Maybe your session conveniently timed out when the server went offline? (I wrote this reply without seeing your reply directly above this, which basically says what I said :D). There are indeed many TW bugs and server problems in general. I've switched back to monobook for the time being because so many of my scripts were breaking for no apparent reason in Vector (they work fine in monobook). Airplaneman ✈ 04:13, 21 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Well, let's not worry too much about Alex Chu now, what's been done has been done until he pops up again. I have always used Monobook - I've experimented with Vector, and like you, many of my js scripts just don't work in it. I'll never understand why it was chosen as the default skin. It even looks horrible.Kudpung (talk) 04:31, 21 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am a terrible mentoree.

Kudpung, I am so sorry for being absolutely non-responsive during our talks and talkbacks. I am a terrible communicator and really need to step up and get in better touch with the wiki community. I would explain why I have been so absent on wiki, and online all together, but I don't feel comfortable discussing certain things on talk pages. Do you have an email address where I can explain things more clearly? I'm trying to get in touch with my professor and discuss these things with her and figure out what is expected of me and what I can reasonably do. Once I get your email address this will be less cryptic, I'm sorry for any stress or confusion I've caused and I really do appreciate the help you've already provided me. Hope to hear from you soon, Ohheyheidi (talk) 18:08, 21 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No worries; Just click on the 'user' tab and you will see the 'email this user' link. You are most welcome to send me an email through the Wikipedia email system. Anonyity is guaranteed. Looking forward to hearing from you - don't be afraid to discuss anything you like with me. --Kudpung (talk) 01:04, 22 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Re: User:Pkavinda123

Yeah I blocked based on the user's edits, unaware of any socking issue, but was made aware of the socking by MuZemike within minutes of my blocking. Feel free to tweak my block, as always, if you believe it's needed by the specific of the case. Thanks again for letting me know. Snowolf How can I help? 19:44, 21 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Not necessary, it was only an FYI - blocked is blocked - that's the main thing. --Kudpung (talk) 01:05, 22 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia Ambassador Program Newsletter: 21 March 2011



This is the third issue of the Wikipedia Ambassador Program Newsletter, with details about what's going on right now and where help is needed.


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The Signpost: 21 March 2011

Task force

Pursuing the task force idea ... would you be interested in participating, and if so, would it be possible for you to round up some people who share your views and keep in touch with them as the task force makes recommendations? - Dank (push to talk) 21:08, 22 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. I've spent the last couple of days parsing all the relevant threads in the talk archives over the last 12 months, to separate them from the background noises, and to identify the people who need to be rounded up. I can only do this manually - should be finished today. --Kudpung (talk) 01:57, 23 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Fantastic. - Dank (push to talk) 02:01, 23 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I'll mail you the results when they are ready - you'll probably wish to suggest some changes. --Kudpung (talk) 02:17, 23 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Worcestershire sauce

Why on earth do we need a pronunciation guide for the word "sauce"? I'm familiar with the use of prounciation notes, and normally only unfamiliar words are included in the pronunciation note. Surely nobody needs it explained how to pronounce "sauce"? 109.154.68.162 (talk) 17:46, 23 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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