User talk:Doc9871

Robbie Robertson

Yes, he's "pretending to sing", and I'm not making it up, it's all on Levon's book. As for his solo career, it got nothing to do with The Band; Manuel, Danko and Helm were viewed as the vocalists of the group. I'd rather cite Levon himself:

• "'To Kingdom Come' was Robbie's song, and he sang it - the last time he sang on one of our records for years. Robbie didn't sing, wasn't a singer, didn't like to sing, but he sang on this one" (This Wheel's on Fire, p.166)

• About Woodstock: "We felt we didn't play a bad set, but it wasn't totally up to our standard since Robbie's microphone had been inadvertenly left on, and he wasn't much as a singer". (p. 200)

• About Last Waltz: "We played a full show (with Robertson's microphone turned off to avoid the kind of problem we'd had at Woodstock)..." (p. 263) "The film was edited so it looked like Robbie was conducting the band with expansive waves of his guitar neck. The muscles of his neck stood out like cords when he sang so powerfully into his switched-off microphone..." (p. 276)

--viniciusmc 02:47, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

More on the first album: "One of the oddest concoctions ever recorded by the Band followed it. 'To Kingdom Come' was written and sung by Robertson (his only lead vocal until 'Knockin' Lost John' in 1976 - Danko was always on him to sing more), aided and abetted in the vocal department by Danko and Manuel." The History of The Band - The Debut Album. --viniciusmc 03:02, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

I was in the audience today for an interview with Robbie Robertson at WFUV (Fordham University Radio) and took the picture that's now in his infobox. In the interview (which will air around April 5th), he says he's never read Levon's book (I imagine the two are still not "warm and cozy" with each other). Levon's book is a reliable source, but when Allmusic, album credits and video footage all come together: Robbie Robertson is credited with "vocals". We have to go with a consensus of reliable sources, and these agree. Cheers :> Doc talk 04:31, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

What I'm trying to say is, even if he sang on a couple of songs, that wasn't representative of his work with The Band (live or in studio). If you really want to follow allmusic and album credits, then instead of the actual opening sentence (that cites only the most know instruments of each member, all of them multi-instrumentalist) the sentence must be something like: "The original group consisted of Canadians Rick Danko (bass guitar, double bass, fiddle, trombone, acoustic bass, acoustic guitar, vocals), Garth Hudson (keyboard instruments, saxophones, trumpet, accordion, piccolo, woodwind, bass), Richard Manuel (piano, drums, baritone saxophone, conga, clavinet, keyboards, vocals), Robbie Robertson (guitar, acoustic guitar, clavinet, melodica, keyboards, vocals), and American Levon Helm (drums, mandolin, guitar, harp, vocals)." --viniciusmc 07:17, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

I think it should read like that if other members are credited with multiple instruments: they were well-known as a multi-instrumentalist band. We, as Wikipedians, don't discern between what could be construed as a "representative" of an artist's work, and this falls under WP:NOR and WP:NPOV. Credits from reliable sources are what we publish, and we are obligated to do that. Garth is the only member I can find that doesn't ever really get vocal credits, but Robbie certainly does. I didn't make these rules, and I know you are only acting in good faith, believe me :> We just have to credit Robbie Robertson with vocal credits because reliable sources prove that he was credited with them. Thanks for responding, and I'm more than open to bringing any other opinions on a wider scale if you still disagree. Cheers :> Doc talk 07:28, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Your edit

I was just following this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Scottish_Americans#Actors.2FEntertainers

Also, being a Scottish American myself with the surname Dean I can tell you it hails from Kilbride area. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.168.171.240 (talk) 19:16, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

"The" versus "the Beatles"

There is a vote taking place in which we could use your input. — GabeMc (talk) 01:24, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Mac

"Fortune, on his damned quarrel smiling,

Showed like a rebel's whore." — DocOfSoc • Talk • 01:46, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

"Look like the innocent flower,

But be the serpent under it." ;> Doc talk 03:33, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Ted Bundy

Funny, I mentioned reliable sources in my edit comment, so presenting the links to me as if I was unaware of the concept is a bit uncivil. As far as why, that is irrelevant, as other killers have been proven to have done so. Presumably the original victim list came from a source even if it was not directly cited at the time. Your removing it because you cannot fathom such a possibility is your own original conclusion / original research and can and was reverted for specifically that reason. If you would like to change it, you should provide the source. If we both insist upon sources and do not get one then maybe the whole count should be removed as speculative at this time. But you do not get to pick your own preferred version with no source to back it up because of your own particular take on the situation. DreamGuy (talk) 03:43, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

I can "fathom" quite a bit, actually. I responded on your talk page: no need for duplicate threads. Cheers... Doc talk 03:49, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Franklin coverup hoax

Hi there. I saw your remarks on Dreamguy's User Talk page, and you seem knowledgeable about the requirements of WP:RS. Please participate in the discussion here: [1] There's a debate about the use of a source published by a tiny publishing firm. A book by a guy named Nick Bryant. Please let us know your thoughts on the matter. Phoenix and Winslow (talk) 20:32, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Hello! I'll look into it, but it may take a little while. Since TrineDay doesn't even have an article here, their notability might be questionable (although they are on Amazon.com). A search for TrineDay shows they are not used too much on this site.[2] Doc talk 22:26, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Brian Jones

Hi there, Doc9871. I read your editing of the Brian Jones article. I haven't got any problem with it. However, the fact remains that is barely (or even not?) audible. Do all these facts have to be backed by a source? Just a thought, thank you! Zapspace (talk) 15:04, 25 March 2011 (UTC)