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More anti-Iranian attacks

Al-Khwarizmi this article is being reverted without any dispute actually discussed in the talk page, there is clear evidence that this guy was born in Persia at the time, and by many sources he is a Persian. Instead, Anti-Iranians and Pro-Islam and whatnot editors are trying to change this identity to 'Muslim', just because Arabs ruled Persia at the time, but he was infact not even a Muslim! his religion was Zoroastrianism, all these have been discussed in the talk page, instead of accepting or rejecting this, edit wars are taking place, on both this and other articles mentioned in User_talk:ManiF#Iranian_watchdog.. things are starting to get out of hand. I'd appreciate if you could keep an eye out or do something about it. --Kash 14:34, 1 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to invite you to view and comment on this mediation: Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-03-02 Persian people if this dispute is sorted out, we can finally get on with our lives! Thank you, it is greatly appreciated --Kash 15:39, 3 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Batman

Hi Cool Cat, I saw you deleted the references to Kurds on Batman,_Turkey. I'm not very knowledgable on the subject, but according to the BBC [1] Batman does have a predominantly Kurdish population. I think that should be mentioned somehow in the article.--Hippalus 16:55, 1 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, I see. Ill do something about it. --Cool Cat^Talk|@ 17:02, 1 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Better? [2] ? --Cool Cat^Talk|@ 17:07, 1 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Better, but still a bit strange as the previous sentence does tell us about a census... So I changed it again [3]. what do you think?--Hippalus 17:26, 1 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oh I see. Much better, thanks. --Cool Cat^Talk|@ 17:29, 1 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Kurdistan and User:Muhamed

Is this really ok? He tags articles at random with the category. See the category (although I recently removed turkish provinces) it is still over loaded with stuff not remotely relevant to kurdistan such as a restourant in germany. --Cool Cat^Talk|@ 17:48, 1 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This is clearly unreasonable (although I couldn't find references to the restaurant). I don't know quite what we can do about this. The consensus clearly is to keep the category (if I remember correctly from the CfD), but we are still without a concrete definition of what it should include. Perhaps we could devise some kind of list on the talk page of appropriate entries? - FrancisTyers 18:46, 1 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Let me input what I think about Kurdistan and how it should appear on wikipedia

Firstly Kurdistan (land of the kurds/lands kurds own) is a proposed country with undefined/changing borders and hence is inaproporate.
I would prefer a category someting like "Category:Kurdish inhabited regions".
I really feel if we are going to have a kurdistan category at all, its borders should have some official definition otherwise we will have more User:Muhamed cases.
- There is a kurdistan in Iraq (it technicaly does not exist yet as the consitiution of iraq needs ratification)
- There is a politicaly unrelated one in Iran.
  - These two should be treated in two diferent categories as they are two different entities.
- Wikipedia articles claim there is a kurdistan in Turkey (Turkish Kurdistan) as well as Syria (Syrian Kurdistan)
  - This is just someones pov even if it is sourced, local governments have millitary and political control and do not recognise a kurdistan.
We had a {{Kurdistan}} and a similar template is {{France}}. I have recently moved it to {{Kurds}}. Kurdistan was treated like a country before I interfered.
We even have {{Kurdistan-stub}} (has the kurdish flag just like {{France-stub}}). Kurdistan is treated like a country yet again.
If kurdistan is a geo cultural region its articles should only talk about kurdish culture.
- There is little to no mention of kurdish culture on current articles in the kurdistan serries.
- Mostly articles only contain repeative information copy pasted from wikipedia articles regarding how much kurds are opressed. And articles mostly/only talk about how much kurds are opressed (weather they are opressed or not is not ours to decide)
- Articles also contain information on unsuccesfull kurdish rebelions (and portrays these as nations).

So what do you think of my points? --Cool Cat^Talk|@ 19:58, 1 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Turkce Wikipedia

Tekrar merhaba Cool Cat, Turkce Wikipedia'da tr:Zazaca ve tr:Zazalar makaleleri edit edilememektedir. Buna bu konuda yardimci olabilir misin? Cunku anladigim kadari ile belli bir siyasi grup, Zazalar ile ilgili kaynak gostermeden kendi siyasal goruslerini yazmislar ve aciklama gostermeden makaleyi kilitlemisler. Zaten hic aciklama yapilmadan kilitlenmesi ve kaynak gosterilmeden yazi yazilmasi Wikipedia kurallarina aykiri. Saglicakla kal. --Daraheni 06:18, 2 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hic aciklama yapilmadan kilitlenmesi ve kaynak gosterilmeden yazi yazilmasi wikipedianin kulturune aykiri, ama bazen gerekli olabiliyor. Kotu niyetle kitlendigine inanmiyorum. Tr.wikipedia'nin kurrallarini tr.wikipedia belirler.

Sayfa kitlemek en.wikipedia'da vandalism veya revert war ile ugrasmak icin kullanilir. Tr.wikipedia nin kuralarini tam bilmiyorum ama buna benzer bir nedenden dolayi olabilir. Tr.wikipedia bu tur makalelere semiprotect gibi bir sey uygulasa daha iyi olabilir.

Sayfanin kopyasini kullanici alanina alip, gelistirip, bir admine soylemeyi denedin mi? Kitli sayfalar boyle gelistirilebilir.

--Cool Cat^Talk|@ 12:01, 2 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

the bot

ok fair enough, i suppose its not really a big thing but i do prefer pgkbot providing just the differnce link because with the double link yours posts every time it can make my screen harder to follow simply because i may have to scroll back further. i also like pgkbots greylist although i realise we can switch that on without the need to turn everything on. (i know it operates on chanel 2 but theres just no conversation there) Benon 23:14, 2 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Errr... Thats a feature, one is the dif link one is the revert link. I have improved the blacklist/greylist function of my bot now although I havent applied the code (I want to test it for a change). I also like pgkbots greylist :P --Cool Cat^Talk|@ 22:58, 2 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Kurdistan category

What do you think of removing this category? Here — Preceding unsigned comment added by Khashayar Karimi (talk • contribs)

I would also like to invite you to comment on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Syrian Kurdistan and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Turkish Kurdistan --Kash 18:34, 3 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Today somehow Syrian Kurdistan was changed to a redirect..? Why not all of them? --Kash 23:32, 7 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

My RfA

Thank you for your support in my request for adminship. I'm delighted that the RfA succeeded with a final consensus of 52/17/7, and receiving comments including having 'excellent potential to become a great moderator', and I am now an administrator. It did however only just pass, and I shall do my very best to rectify any of my errors, including the general belief that I should do more article work. If you have any concerns, or if you ever feel that I may be able to help you, please feel free to leave a message on my talk page. Again, thank you!

Ian13/talk 19:40, 4 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

IRC

Care to tag along on #wikipedia-en-vandalism on freenode? :) --Cool Cat^Talk|@ 21:34, 4 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah but I'm not registered yet. I'll register and then request queue. Thanks --a.n.o.n.y.m ^t 21:36, 4 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

O_o; it takes 5 secs to register! We want good vandal fighters like you there. Besides we have a filtered RC feed as well. Its not just for the chat. --Cool Cat^Talk|@ 21:44, 4 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Do I just go onto the CVU request on Irc and register? --a.n.o.n.y.m ^t 21:56, 4 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Register first. Join the request channel and the topic directs you to a wiki page. Vandals are watching now and may try to imposter you. :) --Cool Cat^Talk|@ 22:30, 4 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Got it. On there now. Thanks --a.n.o.n.y.m ^t 22:31, 4 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you!

Just came across your comments regarding the deletion of "Genetic origins of the Kurds" and it's refreshing that someone else can also clearly see that this obsession with race and genetics is nothing but old school racism draped in scientific jargon. I thought I was the only one around here who was disturbed by this bizarre attitude. Humans are not animals, and yet this sick and narrow worldview that the Nazis and other genocidal maniacs subscribed to still persists in this day and age - only now it's acceptable since the scientific community is so accepting of it. These are the sort of people who love to discuss "mixing" and "interbreeding" on and on (again, treating humans as animals - and if they're non-European, all the better). But wait, didn't the Nazis rant and rave the very same way?

Anyway, I just wanted to let you know that I appreciate your comments and it's good to see another truly human being here on WP. SouthernComfort 07:07, 5 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Growing tired of User:Diyako and User:Heja helweda

I am growing tired of this kind of edit behaviour and am considering arbitration. What do you think? I do not believe we (you/me/others) need to clean up this kind of mess as wikipedians should have the learning curve to at least attempt writing neutraly... --Cool Cat^Talk|@ 04:42, 6 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The edits are annoying because of the copyvio element. But I'm not sure how many times they've done this in the past, I suppose if you could show a pattern of this kind of editing you'd have a case for an RfAr and I'd probably be neutral. It's kind of annoying possibly having your work removed because some guys not bothered to check copyright status! - FrancisTyers 09:22, 6 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, many of the stubs they create are copy paste from other sites. These are bio stubs of supposivley notable people often whose only notability is being kurdish or so the site claims.

My other concern is pov editing. Portraying UK air force evil and comparing it to saddam husein is bad taste and is certainly not what we are trying to do here on wikipedia.

I am annoyed by their behaviour as an observer, you are dealing with it first hand... I admire your hard work to say the least.

I'll copyscape their contributions but since they are mostly bare stubs this will be tedious work... Least I can do for you. :) --Cool Cat^Talk|@ 09:59, 6 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Rather than an RfAr, it might be worth doing an RfC first - I'd certainly come in on your side then. Have you tried to talk to them about this (the copyvio issue) already? - FrancisTyers 14:50, 6 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I personaly believe rfcs are pointless, but because yu ask I will do that. I have not talked to mohamed guy about copyright vilations because he doesnt know english, my communcations with him ended rather insultive (on his part). --Cool Cat^Talk|@ 15:54, 6 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

User:Cool Cat "What are you looking at?"

I've noticed the insertion of your faied rfa's recently. Are you okay..? I know you're dissapointed, but keep your head up. I'm sure things will turn around eventually. -Zero^Talk 16:13, 6 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Heh, I asked jimbo what he thinks. I am going to pursue this, kinda. I'll determine if I should seek adminship based on jimbos comments. --Cool Cat^Talk|@ 19:46, 7 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I hope your appeal for your rfa preregisites goes through as well. I also would like to see you find the answers you are looking for, and always, I'm glad to have you as an fellow wikipedian. Please don't think lower of yourself just because you lack administrator status. You're still an excellent contributor and an valid part of the project. -Zero^Talk 20:01, 7 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your assistance in the rationale that gotten rid of this stub cat.

I was wondering if you could assist me on several articles related to kurds. I'll summarise the general picture.

There are several rebelions portrayed as independent (and failed) nations. At least one of these "nations" lasted only 2 months... An example is kingdom of Kurdistan. There are lots of problematic edits such as this one: ^[4]

Category:Kurdistan is being used to tag random provinces. Basicaly people are drawing the borders of kurdistan using categories. Also existing sub categories appear to be useless. Three of the five sub categories have virtualy a handfull (less than 5) articles

Articles like Turkish Kurdistan and Syrian Kurdistan are highly problematic. If you look at the articles youll see kurdistan is not treated like a geographic region or like a cultural region but for info regarding an independence movement and/or how much kurds are opressed and why they should have a nation of their own.

I have pov on the matter thats why I need objective input.

Thanks --Cool Cat^Talk|@ 09:34, 6 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Cool Cat - to be honest I probably don't know enough about the situation there to feel comfortable trying to sort those articles out - I'd probably go blundering in and treading on toes all over the place. It would definitely be worthwhile listing the problems on WP:AN - there are likely to be admins who know enough about Kurdistan that they'd be able to deal with the situation far better than I can. I just know that - like Macedonia - the nature of the name depends very much on who you are talking to. Grutness...wha? 23:12, 6 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I understand, but as a sanity check I'd like to know what you think on the following points:

Macedonia is an existing country, kurdistan is not. The borders are determined by who you are talking to.
The parties in discussion say Kurdistan is just a geographic region (it is the only geographic region with an ethnicity present in its name I think). However articles talk about the regions economy, history, displays a flag, failed independence attempts... Topic is completely restricted to kurds.
I dont mind an article talking about kurds. We have Kurdish people for that. I am not certain whats approporate for Kurdistan. Take a look at the not so contraversial Scandinavia and compare it with Kurdistan.
Acording to people writing the article kurdistan is divided to 4 parts. I don't think they are explaining a geographic region.

Turkish Kurdistan
- Turkey does not recognise such a thing
- kurds do not even have a defacto goverment
- this article is complete pov, even sourced since it doesnt exist
Syrian Kurdistan
- Syria does not recognise such a thing
- kurds do not even have a defacto goverment
- this article is complete pov, even sourced since it doesnt exist
Iranian Kurdistan
- I dont know much but I am sure the iranian goverment didn't hand over political control
- article does not talk about a federal structure either
Iraqi Kurdistan
- Kurdish Autonomous Region is been turned into a state as Iraq is now a 3 state federal nation now. However this hasnt been ratified hence this is just a proposal
- There was a defacto goverment in the region since the first gulf war
- such a thing should have a seperate article as being an iraqi state, not as part of being kurdistan and not being restricted to kurds.

--Cool Cat^Talk|@ 18:35, 7 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'd definitely agree on the first part - Kurdistan and Macedonia are different from that viewpoint, although they do have similaritties in that Iraq has named an area as Kurdistan, yet many people claim that the "real" Kurdistan also overlaps into neighbouring countries, each of which are understandably not in favour of that situation. As far as the second point is concerned, there does seem to be a definite concatenation of talking about Kurdistan as a geographical entity and as a people (as such the only real comparison I can think of is Israel, but that opens another can of worms). I'm uneasy with the four articles you list in the last part - since these regional names do not exist (with the exception of the Iraqi state), I would question their worth as articles. I would have no objection, say, to Kurdish people in Turkey, but the title Turkish Kurdistan strikes me as POV. The Kurdistan article is the one which I really have too little expertise to comment on. As an ill-defined region, it seems to be a logical hing to talk about, and certainly the term Kurdistan is used frequently enough to warrant an article. But it easily creeps into greyer areas. Grutness...wha? 01:02, 8 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank You

Hi, I just wanted to say thanks for your reasonable analysis, and hard work.Zmmz 17:56, 7 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Pasha

A lot of Turkish-related articles' copyright, such as Politics of Turkey, Culture of Turkey and Communications in Turkey, are being challenged by a certain user. You may want to look into this, the articles could be deleted. --ManiF 17:59, 7 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sorted the mess, several sections were coppied (either from wikipeida or to wikipedia). ON one occasion (communications of turkey) the data was from cia world factbook, a PD source. This guy is getting on my nerves, I will sort him out soon. --Cool Cat^Talk|@ 19:37, 7 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

He's been reported here, you can add your comments if you wish. --ManiF 22:16, 7 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

ANB cant do anything about it. I am collecting evidence at User:Cool Cat/RfC March 2006, feel free to assist. --Cool Cat^Talk|@ 00:41, 8 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

K*******n

Hello Cool Cat. It's really a nice user page you have here - hope I manage to leave my message without leaving a mess. I noticed that you are doing an effort to removed references to Kurdishness in articles about Southeastern Turkey. I must say I tend to disagree with you, but my purpose for writing you here is not to embark on a long debate where we probably both in forehand know the arguments of the other.

You seem to be a well-experienced and serious Wikipedian. So my question is whether there has been taken any compregensive decisions for Wikipedia policy on offically non-recognized minorities - as the Kurds in Turkey. There are so many articles related to the area of Turkey, that some, including myself, refer to as Kurdistan, that I believe a comprehensive policy should be developed. Has there been such discussions? If not, where is the place to raise such a discussion? I believe it will be better to discuss and reach some overall agreement instead of continous edit wars on articles such as Batman, Hakkari etc. Bertilvidet 20:36, 7 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes WP:NPOV.

Firstly, I am not against "kurdishness". I also do not remove referances to kurdishness.
As you might know Kurdistan is a proposed country. Refering to Hakkari and Batman belonging to a proposed county is problematic and a breach of NPOV.
- Refering to provinces in soultheastern Turkey as "Kurdistan" is something done often by Kurdish nationalists who seek an independent kurdistan. Which is fine for them but would not be ok on wikipedia.
- Kurdistan literaly means "land of the kurds" or "lands owned by kurds" or "lands belonging to kurds" and is factualy inacurate as the place is owned by Turkey.
- This is like refering to Canada being the 51st US state. While many people may agree (especialy up north in the US) this would be bad practice as Canada is an independent nation.
Non-recognized minorities are treated like recognised majorities. They have their own articles such as Kurdish people or Kurdish culture. Only independent states (Such as Turkey and France) and defacto states (partialy) (such as Taiwan KKTC) are treated like nations.

My primary concern is Kurdistan being treated as a country. Recently there has been a movement to portray a non existant Kurdish state and I work against this.

My second concern is copyrights. A lot of pages refering to kurds is coppied from the web breaching copyrights of numerous people.

--Cool Cat^Talk|@ 22:26, 7 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I am just warning you that I am considering reopening the arbitration cases

Just to let you know that I will request a harder sanction for what you did. Fad (ix) 00:44, 8 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the heads up. Feel free to as nothing is stoping you but I thought you were ignoring me.

What did I do by the way? I am rather busy writing my anti-vandal bot and we have a decent mess in korean wikipedia. Hence am making minimal wikipedia contribution.

--Cool Cat^Talk|@ 01:01, 8 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Coolcat, you are hardly being convincing, I would have thought that you would try harder... I am giving you a last chance to come clean, I swear I will open an arbitration cases if you don't, and this time around the evidences won't manage you. Fad (ix) 01:17, 8 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

??? You are confusing me.... --Cool Cat^Talk|@ 02:47, 8 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have warned you, let the arbitrators decide then. Fad (ix) 02:33, 8 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

At least inform me the nature of the dispute.... --Cool Cat^Talk|@ 02:47, 8 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Coolcat, you are so predictable, in a world where it isen't you, you would still have known it given that the dispute was just above your answer in my talk page and that the center of the dispute was around an article in which an alias appeared soon after you left. You have used this same innocent behavior in the past, but this time it won't work I am afraid, if I were you I would start documenting in the upcoming arbitration cases that I will submit in the upcoming days, to explain how come an innocent user who could barely write English(faking his English that is) would creat chronology tables by using your code paterns, coloring his tables exactly like you do, and the green crap on the right for cited ones, using the same expressions etc, and many other examples. Fad (ix) 02:57, 8 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I do not pay attention to other peoples talk pages much unless I care about them. Tonikaku your attitude is quite annoying. For whatever the reason (I am not certain why) you are threatening me with arbitration.

Since you have predetermined what to do, nothing I say will matter. So go ahead with whatever you have in mind.

--Cool Cat^Talk|@ 03:03, 8 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

About my "coding patterns", I am among the people who make a decent contribution to a variery of topics on some occasions "my coding patterns" have shaped structure of pages interwiki. It is perfectly normal for you to frequently observe "my conding patterns". For example User:Jimbo Wales and some subpages contain "my coding paterns".

--Cool Cat^Talk|@ 19:26, 8 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think he has some issues.

He has some issues beyond my edits. Personally, I do not have any desire to deal with him. I can easily work on another article. It is funny that he belives that he "owns" the article. He negates not on the information, but from his choice of words he takes it on an interestingly personal level. If he thinks you are on his side, all the edits o.k. or vice versa. I have added information that can be classified on both sides of the arguments. He began to flip out, when I moved from top of the page (agrees with his perspective) to bottom (disagrees his perspective). He even tried to (and did) change textbook information. Funny Guy.--Karabekir 22:10, 8 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Channels

I have been quite busy myself and have just now gotten a chance to log onto wikipedia. I am pretty clueless with this channel thing, which means maybe im not experienced enough to even lift this off the ground. Your thoughts?

Thanks