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Lulz Security

I think Lulz Security should be included in this Techno-Utopianism article, perhaps a section on the Hacktivist self-empowerment events could also refer to Anonymous Group and WikiLeaks?

Link regarding Lulz Sony-hack http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-13633011

86.186.63.56 (talk) 11:10, 3 June 2011 (UTC)JACK BLACK[reply]

The Pirate Party could also be mentioned in conjunction with Lulz and Anonymous. The Pirate Party is mentioned by many third party sources. I was reminded of The Pirate Party because Lulz is using bitcoin for donations (Bitcoin is also mentioned by many third party sources). Rick FalkVinge recently stated he was putting all his savings into Bitcoin.

The Lulz Security issue has reminded me that a big chunk of techno-utopianism is missing.

86.186.63.56 (talk) 11:52, 3 June 2011 (UTC)JACK BLACK[reply]

Here's a good front page of the WSJ regarding a Lulz hack: http://i.imgur.com/DsgWI.jpg

86.186.63.56 (talk) 12:06, 3 June 2011 (UTC)JACK BLACK[reply]

Here is a good quote from Forbes linking together the three issues of WikiLeaks, Anonymous, and Lulz:

"One member of the LulzSec hacking group, calling himself Whirlpool, told me in an interview this morning over Instant Message chat that the hack had been a nod to WikiLeaks and Anonymous, after many who support the larger online collective were angered by the PBS documentary “WikiSecrets” and its portrayal of whistleblower Bradley Manning when it broadcast a week ago."

http://blogs.forbes.com/parmyolson/2011/05/31/interview-with-pbs-hackers-we-did-it-for-lulz-and-justice/

86.186.63.56 (talk) 12:38, 3 June 2011 (UTC)JACK BLACK[reply]

Technological utopianism refers to any ideology based on the belief that advances in science and technology will eventually bring about a utopia, or at least help to fulfill one or another utopian ideal. Regardless of whether or not they are motivated by a techno-utopian ideology, groups of hackers committing acts of vandalism or theft are not noteworthy in an encyclopedic article about technological utopianism unless reliable sources explicitly state that technological utopianism inspired them to commit highly-publicized acts of vandalism or theft. Even then, we have to be careful not to indulge in recentism. --Loremaster (talk) 14:17, 3 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

We have had the recentism discussion before, Wikipedia doesn't prohibit recentism: recent events are included in Wikipedia. Regarding these recent events, they are part of an ongoing picture that is developing over a period of years. Lulz, WikiLeaks, Anonymous, The Pirate Party, and Bitcoin are all facets of a technological-utopian thrust forward where self-empowerment, contrary to Government restrictions, is the mode of operation. The aforementioned five factors are frequently mentioned in the same breath by many third party reputable sources. Freedom of information and protests regarding Wikileaks smears by PBS (not mere vandalism) are very much a utopian thrust. At least one representative of Anonymous has previously been quoted in CNN news stating their goal is utopia. Lulz are very clearly trying to bring about utopian ideals, as is Wikileaks and The Pirate Party etc. 86.183.13.7 (talk) 23:23, 3 June 2011 (UTC)JACK BLACK[reply]

As explained in our previous debates that are now archived, I disagree with all your dubious arguments and oppose your edit suggestions, which is nothing more than original research since you need to find reliable sources that explicitly state that “Lulz, WikiLeaks, Anonymous, The Pirate Party, and Bitcoin are all facets of a technological-utopian thrust”. Ultimately, since you've always failed and continue to fail to find consensus, stop wasting your time here and focus on improving the Hacktivism article where your edit suggestions would be far more relevant. --Loremaster (talk) 06:55, 4 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Well maybe you are correct to say they shouldn't all be lumped into the same utopian thrust therefore I suggest each group should be mentioned separately. The BBC reports that the motive of Lulz is "fun" combined with some ethical righting of wrongs regarding WikiLeaks. The actions of Lulz seem to be clear example of utopian idealology: fun. See what the BBC states:

Humour forms part of the group's agenda, as outlined on its website.
"Considering fun is now restricted to Friday, where we look forward to the weekend, weekend, we have now taken it upon ourselves to spread fun, fun, fun, throughout the entire calendar year," declares a message on the front page.
The humour references seem to be intended to separate the group from others that hack for money.
But not everything LulzSec does is for the fun of it.
The group also hacked the website of America's Public Broadcasting Service because it made a documentary critical of Wikileaks.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13671195

86.135.34.131 (talk) 19:10, 6 June 2011 (UTC)JACK BLACK[reply]

I can't believe I actually have to say this but there is nothing inherently utopian about spreading fun! You're grasping at straws and you need to stop obsessing over ways to mention hacktivist groups in this article. --Loremaster (talk) 23:47, 6 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The Wikipedia header description of technoutopiaism describes advances in science and technology that will "at least help to fulfill one or another utopian ideal." Fun combined with Hacking FBI related sites and hacking a news website to address unfair reporting on Wikileaks is clearly helping to fulfill at least one or another utopian ideal.

86.162.82.74 (talk) 08:38, 7 June 2011 (UTC)JACK BLACK[reply]

Bitcoins

I think Bitcoins should be mentioned in this article. I was reading in Forbes about how US$7,000 have recently been donated to Lulz. There are wide variety of articles about Bitcoin published by Fox, Time, Washington Post, Financial Times, EFF (incidentally I am surprised EFF is not mentioned anywhere in this Wikipedia article), and Forbes; Rick Falkvinge has also made references to Bitcoin, and he states he is changing all his money into Bitcoins. Here is the Forbes link: http://blogs.forbes.com/parmyolson/2011/06/06/lulzsec-hackers-posts-sony-dev-source-code-get-7k-donation/

Clearly Bitcoins comply with the Wikipedia header description of technoutopiaism, in that they "at least help to fulfill one or another utopian ideal." Being able to electronically trade via an unregulated currency where transactions cannot be monitored by Governments or financial institutions, and transaction charges cannot be applied, this clearly fulfills "one or another utopian ideal".

86.162.82.74 (talk) 08:28, 7 June 2011 (UTC)JACK BLACK[reply]