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Thomas Müller

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Nominator(s): ArtVandelay13 (talk) 11:27, 3 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I've nominated this artlce before, and it failed largely due to the number of references from Müller's club, Bayern Munich. I've replaced most of these, and in addition the article has better images, plus expanded personal information. ArtVandelay13 (talk) 11:27, 3 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Source review - spotchecks not done. Nikkimaria (talk) 13:31, 3 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Trust me, transfermarkt is the most reliable source out there. 188.169.22.145 (talk) 14:12, 3 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
No offence, but I'm looking for a stronger rationale than "trust me". Nikkimaria (talk) 14:48, 3 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
transfermarkt.de is a very reliable source. It belongs to the Axel Springer AG, one of the largest multimedia company worldwide. It is the biggest sports website in Germany, after Kicker. Per [1], transfermarkt supplies interviews with professional football players. Regards.--♫Greatorangepumpkin♫Heyit's meI am dynamite 15:04, 3 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I would agree on removing that image. It slows down the page load time significantly. 188.169.22.145 (talk) 08:46, 4 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I think all non-English titles should be translated and written in trans_title of cite web template. 188.169.22.145 (talk) 12:59, 4 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Done. ArtVandelay13 (talk) 13:40, 4 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Support Only two concerns: "Raul scores, ones, Neuer stopps everything - Bayern knocked out", "Gomez and Müller a good partnership" - these translations are terrible. 188.169.22.145 (talk) 14:17, 4 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

OK, changed. The first one was just a load of typos because I was adding so many; the second I couldn't find a useful translation for 'kongenial' (they don't mean friendly). ArtVandelay13 (talk) 14:30, 4 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
"Gomez and Müller a symbiotic partnership" - this translation still doesn't make sense. 188.169.22.145 (talk) 15:31, 4 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Any suggestions then? ArtVandelay13 (talk) 15:33, 4 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't get the point of that sentence. Does it mean that Muller and Gomez fit each other well? (they play well when they are on the pitch together) 188.169.22.145 (talk) 15:36, 4 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I take it to mean that they combined well in that particular match. ArtVandelay13 (talk) 15:42, 4 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment What about adding assists statistic from ESPN? 188.169.22.145 (talk) 15:36, 4 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Unlike say ice hockey, there's no defined method of counting assists, so such figures inevitably vary by source. As a result, the consensus within WikiProject Football is that assists should not be included in tables of statistics. Oldelpaso (talk) 18:34, 5 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Agree, but I think ESPN is a quite reliable source. 188.169.22.145 (talk) 20:56, 5 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Not an easy one to review, as Müller has only really been active for two seasons. This doesn't make it any less eligible, but does (perhaps unavoidably) make it harder to feel a sense of depth when reading the article. Nevertheless, as a summary of his career so far, it does a good job.

  • While it is mentioned in the Personal life section that Pähl is in Bavaria, the early career section could do with some wording making it clear that Bayern Munich are the nearest Bundesliga club to Müller's birthplace.
  • Playing style section - its never an easy thing to source, but I always feel compelled to ask: What are the weaker areas of Müller's game? Perhaps Robben made criticisms during their spat?
  • regular fixtures - not sure this one parses. A fixture, or a regular selection, but not both at the same *Noticing some passive tense in the article that could be reworded to sound more direct, e.g. Müller had scored four goals and made two assists during the competition.
  • He was philosophical about this dip in form, though - could do with a direct quote to support this.
  • Müller's success in the World Cup was as part of a group of young players (Ozil, Khedira) that earned plaudits, so a sentence about how the team as a whole was viewed could be a useful addition. Oldelpaso (talk) 19:29, 5 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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