User talk:Josh Gorand

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Presentation of a Barnstar

		The Entrepreneur's Barnstar
		The Entrepreneur's Barnstar is given to recognize new editors who have made great strides to contribute to Wikipedia. I, Quinxorin,* present this award to Josh Gorand for exceptional contributions to various articles in a short time as a user.* Quinxorin (talk) 20:21, 1 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Imported articles

Hello Josh, have you heard about Help:Import and Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia? At least your article about Luc Jochimsen is a 100% translated copy of de:Luc Jochimsen. Antiachtundsechziger (talk) 12:10, 9 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No, I haven't heard about Help:Import. The article isn't 100 % translated (at least not the version I wrote). Josh Gorand (talk) 13:17, 9 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Prime Minister

If you insist on using Prime Minister instead of Minister-President, would you please be consequent and change it everywhere where it is used. The term Minister-President is consistingly used to describe the head of government of German federal states, so there is no need to changed it only in two cases of current interest. --Dodo19 (talk) 12:23, 1 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The German states uses and have used various titles in German. I already change Minister-President to Prime Minister whenever I come across the term and such a change is supported by sources. I might look further into this later. Josh Gorand (talk) 12:25, 1 July 2010 (UTC) [reply]

all the German Ministerpräsidenten are called minister-president on all wiki-pages exempt for your changes in some wiki-article%s about lower saxony Ministerpräsidenten, if you insist on prime minister as the correct form off Ministerpräsident them please change all of them and not just 1% the_consistency_guy09:56, 2 November 2011 (UTC)09:56, 2 November 2011 (UTC)09:56, 2 November 2011 (UTC)~

Böhrnsen

I know but I honestly don't have the time or the energy to fight things like this full-blown anymore. If a legitimate discussion seem to be taking place, I may drop in but I'm afraid I can't be any more help than that. Therequiembellishere (talk) 10:49, 2 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I fully understand. Josh Gorand (talk) 10:50, 2 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject Lower Saxony

There is a WikiProject on Lower Saxony if you're so interested on the topic. Kingjeff (talk) 15:29, 2 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

German Presidential election, 2010

Hi there. Thanks for your ongoing contributions to this article. However, I get the impression that some of your edits are not totally in accordance with WP:NPOV, as you sometimes seem to draw conclusions from sources that aren't actually supported by them. (I specified this here) Also, please see media publications and statements by political opponents of the Left in context. Citing the conservative/right-wing newspaper Welt as the only source for the assumption that something is "widely interpreted as..." is certainly a bit over the top. Lastly, I think it is not appropriate to mention the observation of parts of the Left by federal and some German state authorities (to claim the whole party is extremist and under surveillance by "German (which implies: "all German") authorities/intelligence" is wrong anyway) in every second sentence. It is important to include different opinions and also criticism of the Left but these opinions should be marked as such and not be assumed to be objective facts ("widely considered"). Other than that, happy editing :). Thanks. Janfrie1988 (talk) 16:59, 2 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion declined: Premier of Lower Saxony

Hello Josh Gorand. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Premier of Lower Saxony, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: The reason given is not a valid speedy deletion criterion. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 01:49, 3 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Please try to resolve your differences with User:Leicchaucer. In the meantime, I asked her/him to have the revision histories of the two pages merged. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 01:52, 3 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Articles for deletion nomination of Prime Minister of Lower Saxony

I have nominated Prime Minister of Lower Saxony, an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Prime Minister of Lower Saxony. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time.

Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. Dodo19 (talk) 05:37, 4 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Joachim Gauck

Do you have any reliable source saying that Gauck's father was taken to a "concentration camp"? There are numerous sources describing the camp as a "labor camp", and the article must present facts as evidenced in reliable sources. I would appreciate it if you would not delete sourced content from the article. With regard to dispute resolution, consider this a warning not to engage in edit warring over the article. Cs32en Talk to me 07:23, 4 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Your comment

I hope your comment could be looked on as a personal attack. Kingjeff (talk) 15:51, 5 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Er, Leicchauser is the one who makes personal attacks against me constantly. I merely reply to his personal attacks. Josh Gorand (talk) 15:52, 5 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ministerpräsident vote

Voting has started here. Kingjeff (talk) 03:08, 6 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Can you please stop your manipulation and actually be civil when discussing the topic. Kingjeff (talk) 14:19, 14 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Er, you are the one manipulating the talk page by deleting other people's comments to prevent people from reading my objections to your unilateral and non-valid "votes". I can comment wherever I want except inside signed comments. Josh Gorand (talk) 14:22, 14 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You were the one who wrote a manipulative comment. If you're so confident that it is not a valid vote, then there are no reason for your comments like that ones your have recently put in the voting section. Kingjeff (talk) 14:25, 14 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You have no right to delete other people's comments because you disagree with them. Thank you for admitting that you deleted my comment because you disagreed with its content. This speaks for itself. There is no vote. There is a discussion. A vote can only be started after first achieving consensus on having a vote. We have only just started looking at the relevant sources. This is what matters. Josh Gorand (talk) 14:27, 14 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You do not have to participate in the vote. This is your choice. I never admitted to deleting any comment. Kingjeff (talk) 14:33, 14 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

We do not vote at Wikipedia. I have voiced my support for Prime Minister and backed it up with arguments and sources. We are not finished looking at sources. You repeatedly deleted my comments. Deleting other people's comments from talk pages is considered vandalism per Wikipedia:Vandalism#Types_of_vandalism. Josh Gorand (talk) 14:39, 14 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Page move dispute: ANI notice

I've left a note at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Page move dispute about one of your edits at Ministers-President of Lower Saxony. Regards, Cs32en Talk to me 18:43, 2 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

First making POV forks that were deleted, then frivolously nominating the article for deletion (speedily kept), then unilaterally moving the article without consensus (and ignoring sources cited on the talk page), then complaining about me preventing further move wars, making a fake note on the administrators' noticeboard, pretending to be just some "observer"(!). What's next? Josh Gorand (talk) 19:04, 2 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Please show examples for these allegations. I don't think you are talking about me here. Cs32en Talk to me 19:13, 2 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I should have known, then denying this behaviour by you guys took place at all. As a user who has made edits to Talk:Prime Ministers of Lower Saxony (when you wrote that you intended to move the article "Unless there is objection" - anyone who had read the talk page would be fully aware that there was strong objection and of the previous POV forks and frivolous ADF), you of course knew all this, because the talk page included, at that time, a (prominently displayed) link to the AFD page and a discussion of both the POV fork issue and the frivolous AFD (described as a "travesty" on the talk page by a different user). Or did you propose to move the article in retaliation against me (after an unrelated dispute), without bothering reading the talk page and sources that have been cited there? Are you really interested in Lower Saxon politics, or did you just show up there (and now here) out of spite? Josh Gorand (talk) 19:17, 2 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I do not deny that an AfD took place. Your comments suggested that I would have done what you have enumerated above. Cs32en Talk to me 19:27, 2 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No, I didn't say that. A couple of users have been involved in this behaviour, all while a discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Germany, Talk:Christian Wulff and elsewhere has taken place. It doesn't make any difference to me if different people are behind the frivolous ADF, the POV fork, the unilateral move and the "reporting" of me for merely fixing it and preventing move wars. Anyone who wants to have the article moved needs to take part in the discussion, cite source and obtain consensus. Josh Gorand (talk) 19:31, 2 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

International Society for Human Rights

Greetings. Your inclusion of Ludwig Erhard and other deceased and irrelevant names @ the ISHR article looks a lot like vandalism. You did a lot of edits in that session. Some look constructive. Some look like POV. I've removed Erhard, et al, but what's up? Why the borderline vandalism? Tapered (talk) 04:58, 15 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]