Talk:Empire

The forgotten Portuguese empire

The article does not mention the Portuguese empire and the latter was the first global empire in history (Portuguese Empire, [1]). It was also the longest-lived of the modern European colonial empires, spanning almost six centuries, from the capture of Ceuta in 1415 to the handover of Macau in 1999.

I strongly suggest this to be added to the introduction or to a new section.

Another point missing is the effect on globalization.

References [1] The Portuguese Empire: 1415-1825 by Charles R. Boxer

--82.22.79.213 (talk) 13:35, 21 March 2010 (UTC) JB

Incorrect claim

"Many of Europe's imperial monarchs of the 19th and 20th centuries were related by blood or marriage. Prior to World War I, Kaiser Wilhelm II of the German Empire, Tsar Nicholas II of the Russian Empire and George V of the United Kingdom, were all blood relatives, related through Queen Victoria"

The last part of this is wrong. Tsar Nicholas II had no proximate connection to Queen Victoria at all. He was a cousin to George V due to their mutual Danish grandparents, not Queen Victoria.Eregli bob (talk) 05:07, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Roman Empire

Observation: A couple of problems. Though various historians like to quibble on precise terminology, the Roman Empire, for better or for worse, lasted from roughly the 3rd century BCE to at least the 13th century CE (15th century if you are defining it liberally). For the purposes of the chart that compares the various empires, distinguishing between the longevity of the "Roman" empire and the "Byzantine" empire is misleading in comparing it to other empires. The reality is that the imperial history covered a span that nearly rivals the Chinese empire (and many historians would dispute the notion of a continuous Chinese empire lasting from the 3rd century BCE to modern times).

And, also, the chart indicates that the Roman empire began in the 1st century BCE. This is misleading in the context of this article. Historians define the Roman "imperial" period as beginning in the first century because of the establishment of the office of the emperor (which actually is debatable in and of itself). But this article uses the term empire in the broader sense of one nation ruling over many nations. In that sense the Romans began their major territorial expansion in the 3rd century BCE (one could even argue before that). By the 1st century BCE Rome had long been an imperial power.

--22:10, 15 August 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.88.165.35 (talk)

There is a difference between a "civilization-state (China) claiming the imperial title" versus "continuous Chinese empire". China is the world's oldest continuous civilization is it not? The heart of the situation is ethnocentric nationalism, which is evidenced by your assertion that China isn't a continuous civilization-state. Of course, not under Han Chinese leadership, but using your logic, Barack Obama isn't "American" because he is of Kenyan descent. =-P You are mixing up the exact purpose of this chart. It's about "civilization-states claiming the imperial title", not "continuous empires". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.7.2.108 (talk) 02:42, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

BC and AD

I think that the notations BC and AD ought to be used. BCE and CE are less accurate, unless they refer to "Before the Christian Era and the Christian Era. If they refer to Common Era and Before the Common Era, they are less accurate, because they don't refer to the actual concept behind the numbering (the birth of Christ). I am going to change the notations back, the CE and BCE notations seem to be simple evidence of a left wing bias that practices atheism and attempts to abolish references to Christianity. The rest of the article seems to have a bit of a left wing bias as well. CaptainNicodemus. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.96.32.206 (talk) 16:19, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

This should be discussed before making that kind of major changes. BCE and CE reflect a non-Christan/neutral POV. I don't see how they can be "less accurate". They refer the common Western notion of the year. Can you give us an example of "...a bit of a left wing bias..." in the article? Dinkytown talk 16:30, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Mongols!

WTF No mongol :\