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Star Pirates

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Nominated by an IP editor as spam or overly-promotional. Note: nominee did not complete AfD process; choice was to remove it or follow it through, and I'm choosing the latter. PKT(alk) 12:54, 12 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of video game-related deletion discussions. (G·N·B·S·RS·Talk) Logan Talk Contributions 13:12, 12 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Games-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 14:11, 12 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Article is an intstruction manual on how to play the game and a promotion for it. No indication that it is notable other than self-promotional sources. 1100 people playing a game is not really very notable. --Wtshymanski (talk) 16:40, 12 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Question Can someone clarify the reasons this article is being suggested for deletion? As stated above, the initial nominee did not follow the process and they put forth vastly different reasons than those listed above.Druidelias (talk) 23:09, 12 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Answer The original reasons dealt with a lack of resources, "promotional bias", and claimed that the article does not meet Notability Guidelines. No actual supporting evidence has been put forth on any of these topics except for a rebuke regarding an old review of the game posted in the talk section of the SP page. (Captain Waffles) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.101.33.49 (talk) 23:16, 12 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
please read your IP's talk page, someone left information on how to sign your comments yourself...consider creating an account as well Quasi Reality Event (talk) 06:47, 13 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Question Am I mistaken or is the originator of the deletion request an anonymous user with no other posts or contributions? If so, I ask for some verification of their qualifications for the statements made as they appear to be based upon prior experience? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.93.102.55 (talk) 02:49, 13 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Question User "Quasi Reality Event" : I would like to know your relationship with the game Star Pirates, also. Because, if you are a person who was previously banned from SP, then you throwing up claims that the Star Pirates page should be deleted should (in my opinion) be taken accordingly. People who have broken rules while playing games, and are caught, usually are not the kind of people who give very honest or revealing information about the game.Shinobi1991 —Preceding undated comment added 05:11, 13 December 2011 (UTC).[reply]
  • Answer I'd say that you are skirting the edge of WP:PA there...you do not have any evidence to back up your assumptions, and in any event, I was not the user who requested this page be deleted, I merely agree with the proposed action...because it is the correct one. Please keep the discussion confined to the subject and not personal attacks. In any event, who nominated the article for deletion and why is most likely a moot point if the article should, in fact be deleted. I would suggest learning more about how to actually edit and contribute to WikiPedia correctly and courteously. (Notability Guidelines and What WikiPedia is Not are relevant) Quasi Reality Event (talk) 05:26, 13 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Criteria for speedy deletion indicate that it is to be used sparingly and in specific cases. "Administrators should take care not to speedy delete pages or media except in the most obvious cases." & "Speedy deletion is intended to reduce the time spent on deletion discussions for pages or media with no practical chance of surviving discussion." --> this should not be applied as there is a discussion here with mixed opinions here. Using speedy deletion is incorrect as it is not a foregone conclusion. "The criteria for speedy deletion specify the only cases in which administrators have broad consensus to bypass deletion discussion, at their discretion, and immediately delete Wikipedia pages or media. They cover only the cases specified in the rules below." furthermore "WP:BEFORE C.1.If the article can be fixed through normal editing, then it is not a candidate for AfD." --> The stub/promotional nature of article is evolving rapidly since Dec 9th. I would conclude that while the article needs to evolve, the article is not a Candidate for Speedy Deletion. Clearly at the very least this article does not fall under "the most obvious case" that cannot be "fixed through normal editing". StarBaby5
Comment - but this is not speedy deletion? This is AfD. "Speedy" criteria don't apply here. --Wtshymanski (talk) 15:47, 13 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

StarBaby5 (talk

Comment - Thanks for the comment. It's confusing as under the discussion area of the article, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Star_Pirates, the initial nominiation by "88.217.109.248" was "Afd: Nominated for deletion; see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Star_Pirates Requesting speedy deletion (CSD A7 and CSD G11) Reasons: No indication of importance (individuals, animals, organizations, web content)."
I am the game creator, (as I have tried to clearly state). I've edited articles under long forgotten logins, but this is the first deletion I've been involved in. I realise my opinion is not critical to decision making here, and even likely biased, but I'm confused why the initially rough article isn't given a chance to evolve. There are various guidelines indicating that's a prefered path "WP:BEFORE C.1.If the article can be fixed through normal editing, then it is not a candidate for AfD." & "before nominating a recently created article, please consider that many good articles started their Wikilife in pretty bad shape. Unless it is obviously a hopeless case, consider sharing your reservations with the article creator, mentioning your concerns on the article's discussion page, and/or adding a "cleanup" template, instead of bringing the article to AfD." --> If it isn't a proper article then it shouldn't be live, but can you clarify why those guidelines wouldn't apply please? Thanks!
  • Keep This article is not promotional in any way that I can see it merely documents a game that many people play, with discussion about its mechanics and game back story. 1100 daily players of a game may not be considered very "Notable" but Ive seen articles on Wikipedia that might interest at most 10 people and are not considered for deletion. Just because an article on Wikipedia does not meet with your personal tastes is no reason to remove it. If this article is deleted then every single article bout any game even something like Call of Duty needs to be removed, fairplay is essential. MykeyFinn
  • Delete. I don't see any reliable sources establishing notability, nor can I find any. Drmies (talk) 17:12, 13 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment There are many reliable sources outlined in the External Links and the References Pages. Let's see, there is an interview from thespec.com (a local newspaper), EO gamer, Apollo Fireweaver, Comp Talks (Yes, a little outdated, but still a review), TGT Media, Best Browser Games of the Year website, and the Daily News from McMaster University.Shinobi1991 (talk) 17:26, 13 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Recess I think we need to sit out for a little while. I haven't seen anyone new since the start of this page, and both sides are very clearly biased. We have players, and ex players, along with an admin. An Objective opinion is needed, so I vote further discussion be with held until a fresh and unbiased viewpoint can add something to the discussion. The debate in this section has made little progress and hinges off the same points on both sides. (Captain Waffles) 173.101.33.49 (talk) 18:44, 13 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Agree HOWEVER, I don't know of anyone who has been identified as an ex-player, once again you are making assumptions without any evidence to back it up. I would ask that you refrain from making such assumptions, which amount to borderline personal attacks, in the future. There are already several "neutral", WikiPedia editors who have weighed in on the subject on the "Delete" side, and what amounts to outside influences recruited from the subject of the article nominated for deletion on the "Keep" side which will not reflect well on your argument to Keep.Quasi Reality Event (talk) 19:13, 13 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Do not attempt to slander me. I mentioned no names, and there is nothing in my remark that could be considered "Personal" by even the most stringent standards. As well, there is no "Meat Puppetry" here. Everyone in this discussion had been making edits or watching the updates on the Wikipedia page before this one was even made. We are the SP community and therefor the leading experts on the subject, many of us were not editors before the page was made but joined in to help improve it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.101.33.49 (talk) 19:27, 13 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Any SP players and QRE I would highly appreciate it if you can both please. This type of conversation benefits nobody. Any players please respect Quasi Reality Event's right to speak, even if you disagree.
Quasi Reality Event: I actually came up with the concept of Quasi Reality Event as part of StarPirates. It's never been used elsewhere in the web until you took is as a user name when you joined Wikipedia. You can understand how players might consider that somewhat strange. That is irrelevant though. I will say there has been no meat puppetry on my behalf. I asked players to come and comment on the article, but certainly not to influence the editors. Let's be honest, our feedback is not that valued as we're not experienced editors. We are, however, topic experts as Waffles stated. StarBaby5 (talk)
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