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Discovery of ozone

The article previously stated that Joseph Lloyd Martin discovered ozone. This is inconsistent with what I have found in other reputable references and what is stated in the Ozone article (i.e. that it was discovered by Christian Friedrich Schönbein). The reference for this (which was not properly linked is here http://www.homeoint.org/history/cleave/m/martinjl.htm) and does not state that he discovered ozone but that he had a patent for "for Ozonized Oxygen Gas and its compounds for inhalation in the treatment of disease as a hygienic agent, and compressing the same in water for internal or medicinal use". This is not the same as having discovered the gas, so I have removed this part of the sentence.--NHSavage (talk) 17:22, 13 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Bias

Clearly this is a very biased article written by opponents. There is no suggestion of neutrality in the way it is written. It needs to be tagged. Abstrator (talk) 01:14, 24 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Not clear at all. --Ronz (talk) 17:02, 24 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Actually it is clearly not neutral. Please look at version https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=Ozone_therapy&oldid=453926959 and notice all the sections about: countries where the therapy is practised as regular medicine, methods of use, journals, etc. I'd go as far as accusing the user WLU of vandalism for the series of edits on 4 October. I'll tag the article as not neutral. Alecsescu (talk) 08:38, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Please focus on content. If you want to make accusations of vandalism, take them somewhere else and provide plenty of evidence. Otherwise, such accusations are disruptive and incivil.
I agree that it is worth trying to salvage some information on its use if we can agree on the sources and don't confound MEDRS issues with those of marketing and use. --Ronz (talk) 18:52, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, by no means I'm going to learn Wikipedia "bureaucracy" just to make a vandalism accusation on page that is of no interest to me. Click on the history link I gave; if that is not enough evidence of vandalism, then it's not vandalism. I know a reputable clinic doing ozone injections for disk herniation, claiming to show results and patients are indeed satisfied; it is not subsidised by the state, but it is a legal practice. Before WLU's edits, the article showed the view that this is a legal and established practice in some states, now it says "Some marketers of ozone generators make fantastic promotional claims [...]" (very encyclopedical...). I edited the article in the least biased way I could to represent facts as they are, and now you reverted again to WLU's view of the world. I have no idea what MEDRS is, and I won't edit the article again.

Moved to talk

Seems to confuse health claims, use, and efficacy. Basically, there are the MEDRS issues with health claims, vs WP:SOAP issues that might be addressed with rewording and better sources: --Ronz (talk) 18:41, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Mainstream medicine uses

Ozone therapy is a well established alternative and complementary therapy in most mainland European countries where health authorities have tolerated its practice. The European Cooperation of Medical Ozone Societies, founded in 1972, publishes guidelines on medical indications and contraindications of ozone and hosts training seminars.[1] In the early 1980s, a German survey and investigation into ozone therapy by the University Klinikum in Giessen and the Institute for Medical Statistics, published in the Empirical Medical Acts revealed over 5 million ozone treatments had been delivered to some 350,000 patients, by more than 1000 therapists, of this number about half were medical doctors.[2] Although ozone is used in a complementary capacity by a significant number of doctors in Italy, Switzerland, Austria and Germany, it has still not gained popular support with mainstream industry policy makers in those countries, it is not covered by health insurance, nor is it part of the curriculum at most esteemed medical schools. Proposals to include ozone therapy in German health insurance schemes invoked hostile objections from pharmaceutical researchers who question its evidence base.[3] In general, countries with more socialist-style health systems seem to have had less difficulty in accepting ozone as a medicine.[4][5]

  1. ^ "European Cooperation of Medical Ozone Societies, web site".
  2. ^ Jacobs et al., Untersuchung Über Zwischenfalle Und Typische Komplikationen In Der Ozon-Sauerstoff-Therapie. Ozo Nachrichten 1982; 1:5
  3. ^ "German Law Embraces Alternative Medicine". New Scientist Magazine, 1997.
  4. ^ Ikonomidis et al., New Data Regarding The Use Of Ozone Therapy In The Former Soviet Union Countries. Rivista Italiana di Ossigeno-Ozonoterapia 4 (1): 40-43, 2005
  5. ^ Madej P, Antoszewski Z, Madej JA (1995). "Ozonotherapy". Mater Med Pol. 27 (2): 53–6. PMID 8935190.{{cite journal}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)
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