Talk:Rhythm changes
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basic progression sub-dominant?
I always thought the most common way to play the changes was:
I V7/ii | ii V7
That's what I hear in many of these songs. Should this be up on the page? Jrgsf (talk) 21:16, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
main section
Nate, thanks for your comments in response to my recent post in the disussion of the article "Jazz", in the section "Much more needed...". It is true that the article Bebop is alot more informative! BTW, In the discussion of Rhythm changes don't you want to also mention the "F-bridge": v / I7 /IV7 / IV7/ II7 / II7 / ii / V / ...see for example, Constellation below. I took the liberty of creating a table from your previous list. Best regards128.231.88.4 04:39, 30 March 2007 (UTC)Grant Izmirlian
NOTE
If someone wants to add the following section, this list was found with google:
Songs Using Rhythm Changes
| Title | Artist |
|---|---|
| Allen's Alley (AKA Wee) | Denzil Best |
| Almost | David Baker |
| Anthropology (AKA Thrivin' From a Riff) | Parker/Gillespie |
| Apple Honey | Woody Herman |
| Bop Kick | Nat Cole |
| Boppin' a Riff | Sonny Stitt |
| Brown Gold | Art Pepper |
| Bud's Bubble | Bud Powell |
| Call the Police | Nat Cole (?) |
| Calling Dr. Jazz | Eddie "Lockjaw" Davis |
| Celerity | Charlie Parker |
| Chant of the Groove | Coleman Hawkins (?) |
| Chasin' the Bird | Charlie Parker |
| Cheers | Charlie Parker |
| Constellation F-Bridge | Charlie Parker |
| Coolie Rini | Howard McGhee |
| Coppin' the Bop | J.J. Johnson |
| Cottontail | Duke Ellington |
| Delerium | Tadd Dameron |
| Dexter's Deck | Dexter Gordon |
| Dexterity | Charlie Parker |
| Don't Be That Way | Edgar Sampson |
| Dorothy | Howard McGhee |
| The Duel | Dexter Gordon |
| Eb Pob | Fats Navarro/Leo Parker |
| Fat Girl | Fats Navarro |
| Father Steps In | Dixon/Randall/Hines/Fox |
| Fifty Second Street Theme | Thelonius Monk |
| The Flintstones | Hoyt Curtain |
| Fox Hunt | J.J. Johnson |
| Goin' To Minton's | Fats Navarro |
| Good Queen Bess | Duke Ellington |
| The Goof and I | Al Cohn |
| Hamp's Paws | Hampton Hawes |
| Harlem Swing | Nat Cole (?) |
| Hollerin' and Screamin' | Eddie Davis |
| I'm an Errand Boy for Rhythm | Nat Cole (?) |
| In Walked Horace | J.J. Johnson |
| Jay Jay | J.J. Johnson |
| Jaybird | J.J. Johnson |
| The Jeep is Jumpin' | Duke Ellington |
| Jug Handle | Gene Ammons |
| Juggernaut | Gene Ammons |
| Juggin' Around | Frank Foster |
| Jumpin' at the Woodside | Count Basie |
| Lemon Drop | George Wallington |
| Lester Leaps In | Lester Young |
| Lila Mae | Nat Cole (?) |
| The Little Man on the White Keys | Nat Cole (?) |
| Miss Thing | Count Basie |
| Moody Speaks (original version) | James Moody/Dave Burns |
| Moody's Got Rhythm | James Moody |
| Moose the Mooche | Charlie Parker |
| Mop, Mop | Gaillard/Stewert/Tatum |
| Newk's Fadeway | Sonny Rollins |
| No Moe | Sonny Rollins |
| Northwest Passage | Herman/Jackson/Burns |
| O Go Mo | Sonny Rollins |
| Oleo | Sonny Rollins |
| On the Scene | Gillespie/Fuller/Roberts |
| One Bass Hit | Dizzy Gillespie |
| Opp-Bop-Sha-Bam | Dizzy Gillespie |
| An Oscar for Treadwell | Dizzy Gillespie |
| Ow | Charlie Greenlea |
| Passport | Charlie Parker |
| Pogo Stick Bounce | Eden Ahbez |
| Raid the Joint | Erskine Hawkins (?) |
| Red Cross | Charlie Parker |
| Rhythm in a Riff | Billy Eckstine |
| Rhythm Sam | Nat Cole (?) |
| Rhythm-a-ning | Thelonius Monk |
| Salt Peanuts | Dizzy Gillespie |
| Seven Come Eleven | Charlie Christian |
| Shag | Sidney Bechet |
| Shaw Nuff | Dizzy Gillespie |
| Shoo Shoo Baby | Phil Moore |
| Solid Potato Salad | DePaul/Prince/Raye |
| Sonnyside | Sonny Stitt |
| Squatty Roo | Johnny Hodges |
| Stay On It | Tadd Dameron |
| Steeplechase | Charlie Parker |
| Straighten Up and Fly Right | Nat Cole |
| The Street Beat | C. Thompson/ Robert Mellin |
| Strictly Confidential | Bud Powell |
| Swedish Schnapps | Charlie Shavers |
| Swing Spring | J.J. Johnson |
| Swingin' With Diane | Art Pepper |
| Syntax | J.J. Johnson |
| Ta-de-ah | Nat Cole (?) |
| The Theme | Miles Davis |
| Tiptoe | Thad Jones |
| Turnpike | J.J. Johnson |
| Wail | Bud Powell |
| Webb City | Bud Powell |
| Wee (AKA Allen's Alley) | Dizzy Gillespie |
| Who's Who | Art Farmer |
| Wire Brush Stomp | Gene Krupa (?) |
| XYZ | Budd Johnson |
| Yeah Man | J. Russel Robinson |
Samples
It would be nice to have a sample of the original gershwin and a couple examples of how it was used by various artists. --joeyo 23:56, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
Chords
I see that a recent editor has fiddled the chords again, replacing the vi7 with a VI7 (dominant 7th) & then changing the F#-dim to F-dim. I suspect these may be closer to what Gershwin originally wrote (haven't got the sheet music here), & they're certainly one possible path through the chords, but I don't think that they are the usual rhythm changes--at least, most tunes written on them do not imply a VI7 in the 2nd half of the 1st bar, & I dunno about that diminished chord either. (FWIW I just flipped to the "Rhythm Changes" chart in one of my fakebooks here & indeed it has the F#-dim not F-dim.)
Anyway, there really isn't one set of "right" changes--basically anything that's in the neighbourhood of the tonic will work on the A section, & anything circling around the fifths to land on the tonic will work on the B section. But I think that the previous version is closer to "normal" rhythm changes, so the edit should be reverted.
Thoughts, anyone? --ND 14:06, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
- http://www.learnjazzstandards.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Bb-Rhythm-Changes-C-Instruments.pdf68.48.204.94 (talk)
Partial Rhythm Changes
Do you include pieces that are partly based on the RC? I just see that Monk's (?) 52nd St. Theme goes Cmaj–Amin–Dmin–G7–C–Amin–Dmin–G7–etc., but the bridge goes way out.--Mardhil (talk) 05:02, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
media file
you gotta me kidding me. this sample file sounds like shit. stride piano? gotta be kidding man..
using the ms moron synth would enhance this piece of garbage significantly.
also, its the I VI7(V/ii) ii V variant.
Rhythm Changes Bridge
Ladies and gentlemen:
Please note that there is only one "Rhythm Changes" bridge - the bridge from Gershwin's "I Got Rhythm". (III7/VI7/II7/V7 or a variant thereof) Jazz musicians of all eras have delighted in cutting and pasting, putting parts of various tunes together to make new tunes - a prime example is the bridge progression I7/IV7/II/V7 (and variants) mentioned several times above. This is a simplified version of the bridge to "Honeysuckle Rose".[1]
why in C, instead of Bb
Why would you give the example in C? The traditionally it's in Bb?69.250.189.107 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 02:34, 25 January 2012 (UTC).
- Why not. Hyacinth (talk) 07:17, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
- BECAUSE the "tradition and convention" is that's its in Bb. The citation for that is so ubiquitous (literally thousands of jazz books and articles that it is beyond reproach. (Of anything can be played in any key.) As the article even says: "While rhythm changes can be played in any key, they are most commonly played in concert B-flat." To put the example in C is against the convention and tradition, and needs be justified rather than the other way around.
Please fix it!68.48.204.94 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:47, 27 January 2012 (UTC).