User talk:DoriSmith

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RS246.com

Hi Dori,

Thank you for your message. We would like to enhance some of the articles on Wikipedia by providing an external link to RS246.com. RS246 has been around for almost 10 years and is a free to join and free to access enthusiast community. There is a wealth of information both in archived form and in the form of real-time discussion.

We recently added a link to the Wikipedia Audi RS4 page of this form:

• Audi B7 RS4 Discussion Forum at RS246.com

/* External links */ Added the Audi B7 RS4 Discussion Forum at RS246.com http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audi_RS_4#External_links

Unfortunately, it has been deemed "advertising or for promotional purposes" whereas our intention is really to enhance the user experience by providing high quality environments to learn/interact more.

We have read and consumed the various do and don't descriptions and it is unclear if and how our humble aim can be accommodated?

Many thanks,

Phil.

RS246 (talk) 09:00, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Please read User:DoriSmith/onCOI. Dori ☾Talk ⁘ Contribs☽ 09:03, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

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Duo Melis

Please help me understand why mentioning a performing artist's representative is considered advertising ? Sean Samimi 66.87.67.22 (talk) 01:47, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Assuming that you are Aranjuezartserv (talk · contribs) and you're talking about Duo Melis, I recommend reading User:DoriSmith/onCOI. Dori ☾Talk ⁘ Contribs☽ 01:51, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Whole Lotta Rosies submission

DoriSmith... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ted_Newsom/WLR_keep_reasons

The reviewer left the following comment about this submission: This submission doesn't sufficiently explain the importance or significance of the subject. See the guidelines on the notability of music-related topics. Please provide more information on why this musical artist or musical recording is worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia, and support it by citing published sources that are reliable and independent.

I have adjusted the introduction to reflect the trenchant aspect to Whole Lotta Rosies, i.e., that it started a music trend in Southern California which has now been copied again and again: an all-girl tribute band playing cover versions of all-male heavy metal rock.

I'd offer that Whole Lotta Rosies classifies as as "notable" based on Wikipedia's following criteria:

A musician or ensemble ... may be notable if it meets at least one of the following criteria:

1.Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable and are independent from the musician or ensemble itself.

I think Rock City News (http://www.rockcitynews.com/) would be considered reliable and independent. It's been around since 1983 in print and/or online format, the longest-lived rock publication in the LA area. Likewise, I'd suggest that Hustler Magazine (whether or not one appreciates the pictorial content) is a valid souce of reportorial information. Los Angeles Magzine, which is also cited, is scarcely some fly-by-night pamphlet. The group was also cited in the June 2002 issue of PLAYBOY in the article "Greatest Tributes in Rock."

I included the more-obscure South Korean English-language newspaper MORNING CALM WEEKLY citation to verify that WLR had indeed appeared overseas and was written up in more than just a "now playing" notice.

4.Has received non-trivial coverage in independent reliable sources of an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one sovereign country.

How about at least 6 sovereign countries? Rosies received local reviews in military newspapers on their tours of Germany, Sweden, Sarejevo & Bosnia (not available) and Okinawa. I only have access to the South Korea newspaper, which is cited as an example.

6.Is an ensemble which contains two or more independently notable musicians, or is a musician who has been a member of two or more independently notable ensembles.

Since at least two of the band members (Melanie Sisneros & Jenny Warren) qualify as "independently notable musicians" by virtue of the fact that they are in fact listed on their own Wikipedia pages, I'd say this is another criterion met. Wouldn't you?

7.Has become one of the most prominent representatives of a notable style or the most prominent of the local scene of a city; note that the subject must still meet all ordinary Wikipedia standards, including verifiability.

Given that there were no "all-girl hard rock tribute bands" in L.A. before Whole Lotta Rosies, and there are a bunch now, including two which stem directly from ex-Rosies band mambers (Girls Got Rythmn, and ThundHerStruck), I'd say this is another qualification.

8.Has won or been nominated for a major music award, such as a Grammy, Juno, Mercury, Choice or Grammis award.

"Major" is certainly a key factor, but given that they are essentially an LA-based band and the LA-based music magazine Rock City News awarded the band “Most Outstanding Female Tribute Band” three years in a row, I think that's "major" within the parameters of the LA rock scene.

10.Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, e.g. a theme for a network television show, performance in a television show or notable film, inclusion on a notable compilation album, etc.

Again, it depends on the definition of "notable." The movie in which the band appeared prominently, "Unbeatable Harold," had some major stars like Dylan McDermott of THE PRACTICE, Henry Winkler, Gladys Knight and Charles Durning... and, heck, it even has its own Wikipedia entry. "Notable"... well, it's not Gone With the Wind, okay, but it's not Plan 9 from Outer Space, either.

That's six criteria out of a dozen, in a situation which calls for a subject to meet "at least one" of the criterion.

Best wishes.

Ted Newsom — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ted Newsom (talk • contribs) 04:45, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

ADDENDUM note to DoriSmith

The mini-universe of tribute bands may seem trivial, and actually it's new to me. I didn't know much about it before I started writing this, but it clearly means something to the fans who attend these shows, and to the bands themselves.

There are a number of similar bands listed already on Wiki which are co-equal (or lesser?) in accomplishment and notoriety than Whole Lotta Rosies. To wit:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell%27s_Belles_(band)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AC/DShe

Both have clearly been classified as "sufficiently notable" for inclusion. The unique aspect of AC/She, other than it is also an all-girl configuration, seems to be they only play AC/DC songs written before 1980. Call me perplexed, but is that any more or less "sufficiently notable" than WLR? Both bands sprang up nearly simultaneously, and indeed both are profiled in the HUSTLER article which is cited on both the AC/DShe page and in my article.

The AC/DShe entry is nicely referenced, but are the references any more reliable than the ones I cite? One, for instance, is the compendium of Chuck Klosterman, which has a reprint of a brief interview he did with the band members for SPIN magazine... which is not available via the link cited (it's only a link to a review of the book itself).

If the rejection of this article is just a matter of citations and references, please let me know and I'll shore it up the best I can.

Ted Newsom (talk) 13:01, 27 March 2012 (UTC)Ted Newsom

At 18:45 26 March, User:Aaron Booth reviewed your submission and declined it as non-notable. Ninety minutes later, you resubmitted the proposal with only a few minor changes. In my opinion, those edits didn't fully address the issue—for instance, you didn't add any additional sources. Consequently, I declined the submission for the same reason.

BTW, I recommend you read WP:Other stuff exists. Dori ☾Talk ⁘ Contribs☽ 19:55, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Push Girls Wikipedia page

Hello DoriSmith,

I spent a great deal of time yesterday entering information for an upcoming show called Push Girls. The majority of what I entered appears to have been removed, and I'm not quite certain what is triggering your red flags so if you could help me, I'd surely appreciate it. The majority of shows on tv have Wikipedia pages so I am confused why the content I entered has been removed; in fact, the majority of shows have exponentially more information about the show than the page I'm editing. This unscripted show is about a topic that not many people can identify with so I want to give as much insight and information as I can about the cast members as well as the show as a whole. That said, there appears to be a great many instances on Wikipedia that are precedent setting for the types of information I am providing on the Push Girls page:

What I entered was extremely basic: - photo of cast (provided to me by the photographer and I was given specific permission to use it on the Wikipedia page as it's fair use)

- Show Overview (see "Little People, Big World" page for precedent - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_People,_Big_World

- Series Description (see "Little People, Big World" page for precedent - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_People,_Big_World or National Geographic's "Dog Whisperer with Cesar Millan" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_Whisperer

- Season 1 Synopsis See Discovery Channel's "The Colony" page for precedent - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Colony_(U.S._TV_series)

- Episodes (I haven't filled this in yet, but plan to -- see "Little People, Big World"'s Episode page for precedent - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Little_People,_Big_World_episodes or Discovery Channel's "Gold Rush" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_Rush_(TV_series) or a number of other tv shows.

- Cast Bios (see Real Housewives Beverly Hills for precedent - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Real_Housewives_of_Beverly_Hills

- External Links Push Girls Facebook page - there's a Wiki template for this so it must be appropriate use Push Girls website - all the shows have this information Coulors N Motion - the Push Girls' dance troupe website Push Girls on TV.com - there's a Wiki template for this so it must be appropriate use

Additionally, the Mad Men Wiki page has a section devoted to their Marketing campaigns - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mad_Men, this would lead one to believe that a network's marketing strategy/planning was fair game to share on their show's Wiki page.

In sum, I appreciate your attention in this matter as I've pretty much lost all the work I did yesterday on this page (hours of my time).

Thank you, SA — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.74.94.35 (talk) 16:29, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

According to your contributions, you've never edited Push Girls. Is it correct, then, to assume that you're also User:Sundancechannel and/or User:Wikisas? If that's the case, I recommend you read User:DoriSmith/onCOI. Dori ☾Talk ⁘ Contribs☽ 20:15, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Concerning User talk:Scochran4/Creativity

I was under the impression that the template to ask for help went on the talk page of the article that needed deleted. Thanks for your help. --Scochran4 (talk) 04:02, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Queries about judging the validity of a source or statement

Hi DoriSmith,

I am not affiliated with the party/company for which the page Andrew Forde was created. However, I have questions about judging the validity of certain edits, for example the substitution of the word engineer for graduate student, despite articles from the accrediting institutions stating the individuals position as such.

If you could advise me as to the acceptable sources for such validation, for future references as I thought my referencing and statements conformed with Wikipedia's guides to impartiality and reference credibility — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheDreamingAchiever (talk • contribs) 06:58, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Excuse me if I tend to doubt that you have no personal knowledge of or affiliation with Mr. Forde—after all, you know his birthdate, which isn't found in any publicly-accessible information online (and I've looked).

My inclination to not describe Andrew Forde as an engineer has to do with the first line in the linked article: "An engineer is a professional practitioner of engineering…" Between his studies and running multiple companies and organizations, does he also work as engineer (i.e., is he a professional)? Additionally, everything in the lead should be supported by something in the body, and the body covers his work as an entrepreneur and student, not as a practicing engineer.

And lastly, please do not remove tags that are applicable; for instance, simply removing the {{orphan}} tag does not magically de-orphan the article. Dori ☾Talk ⁘ Contribs☽ 07:38, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Hi Dori Smith. Thanks very much for reviewing the article I wrote on the Donor Committee for Enterprise Development (DCED). Though I have been using the tutorials, I am new to editing in wikipedia. Could you give me any advice on the article, which you recently turned down as containing copyright information. Are there any partioular areas of both the wikipedia entry and the DCED website that you feel are problematic? I have already been turned down once on the same article on the issue of copyright for the Structure page of the DCED website, but then I amended the wikipedia entry to put it more in my own words so am not sure where the current copyright issue is. Also in the field of private sector development, there really are a lot of industry phrases such as 'sustainable poverty reduction' or 'private sector development in conflict affected areas' which are unavoidable, so its hard to escape some repetition. Thanks very much for your help here. I am very grateful Ashleyaak (talk) 10:00, 28 March 2012 (UTC)