Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2012 in UFC events (2nd nomination)

2012 in UFC events

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This page on a collection of notable UFC events fails the WP:COMMONSENSE policy. There is no attempt in the actual article to demonstrate why this is better than the individual pages. The individual events can be more adequately covered on their own pages ScottMMA (talk) 09:51, 25 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Support - Firstly, I'll be honest that I do start here from a biased POV after previous experiences with the editors largely at the centre for the contreversial purging of MMA Wiki Articles in favour of what they do feel is a better way of presenting information which is appropiate for inclusion on Wiki. However, I do strongly feel that though well intentioned, the way that this shift has manifested appears both at first glance and at deeper reading to be a case of an editor under the impression that their opinion is of more importance and as such is to be accepted until editors present evidence to convince said editor otherwise, but only on terms as decided by this editor. In other words, a power user. Naturally, this has caused tension and heated arguments, but at it's core, it can be seen this change was well intentioned but just poorly executed while shutting out oppurtunity for other editors to contribute not only to the article in question but to the entire MMA portal with the mass purgings. For more details on this please see Mt king^(edits) and User:TreyGeek.

As such, I strongly support the deletion of this article and (in my biased opinion;) the temporary editing rights removal of Mt king^(edits) and User:TreyGeek until their proposed large scale changes have been properly discussed in a fair and open platform with all participants as equals. It is my belief that these two users have shown and will continue to pursue an aggressive implementation of their proposal, should such measures not be taken and as such may jeporadise any discussion on the changes which may occur. I strongly impore those in a position to decide upon course of action here to review the contribution logs of the aforementioned users as it is difficult to fully explain just how significant this issue is and how long this ongoing issue has been around. Terkaal -- <Warning! Self-Confessed Newbie!> (talk) 10:08, 25 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete The UFC events are notable and have enough reliable sources for their own article. Having individual articles allows more content such as payouts, awards, attendance, gate takings, background and other information to be added, which is alot more useful for people who use Wikipedia to search for UFC events. Im sure each UFC event gets alot of traffic aswell. Portillo (talk) 10:29, 25 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy Keep: It's mildly amusing that the MMA meatpuppets fight so hard to keep individual event articles, but are now rallying to shoot down the portmanteau articles more in accordance with Wikipedia policies and practices; that they are so upset about the alleged agendas of veteran editors, but unabashedly admit they come to Wikipedia with agendas of their own. As far as this AfD goes, of course, the nom has not advanced a valid reason for deletion under WP:Deletion policy, and the two Delete proponents above haven't even managed that much, confining their arguments to the perfidy of their opponents and the notability of individual MMA events. As such, I am comfortable with terming this a bad faith nomination, as one intending to attack a position and individual editors rather than through any genuine belief in the non-notability of the subject. Ravenswing 12:41, 25 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Keep (edit conflict with Ravenswing's sensible comment) The content is encyclopedic and mostly referenced. There has been a lot of dispute here as to whether individual UFC events deserve articles, but this combined article is a good compromise. The reason for deletion doesn't make sense per Wikipedia policy. Summary articles are allowed even if the events have their own pages. Finally, it was AfDed previously less than a month ago, with the result "speedy keep", so nominating it again so quickly is an abuse of Wikipedia's process, possibly a case of WP:POINT or WP:REICHSTAG, almost certainly more to do with the debate over coverage of UFC than any concern about notability or article quality. --Colapeninsula (talk) 12:44, 25 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Delete as per Portillo and ScottMMA. The individual pages for each UFC event has enough strength in their own right to remain on Wikipedia as they are already. Due to the fact that Mt king^(edits) and User:TreyGeek have semi locked the page, meaning pretty much only they can edit it which has came with more problems that the pages already does have such as frequent updating and lack of fresh opinions towards improving the page or being able to give a reasonable opposing opinion to their ideas, it may be for the best to either remove the semi lock off this page or temporarily have a topic ban on these two users so that if this page somehow survives this AfD then it will allows a much wider democracy towards improving this page so that it can only improve.

These users based their arguments on if an UFC event will have a 'lasting effect' in the world, as if this is somehow the core standard to any event of any genre to pass so they can get a Wikipedia page. They also say that if it was covered by MMA websites it don't count. Well if that is the case then why isn't events like Backlash (2004), Floyd Mayweather vs. Miguel Cotto, and Armageddon (1999), all of which are covered entirely by professional wrestling websites and boxing websites respectfully, removed yet? They also lack any real 'lasting effect' as they would say but yet, just because there are quite a few references from these single topic websites they are still here. Beside, I don't actually recall anywhere in WP:GNG that the references HAS to come from site independent from the subject the event is for. Matter of fact it doesn't event state how many references are needed to make a Wikipedia page pass any standards which I still cannot find. So I must ask these two users to answer me, not just for me but to other Wikipedia users including admins, about why they think that individual UFC events, how they see it, may not necessarily be covered outside of MMA websites and may have around 7-11 article references why they are poorly sourced, or not relevant yet combined with all the events for the UFC in the same year are somehow able to pass a AfD and remain here? 86.149.144.209 (talk) 13:14, 25 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep both the stand-alone event pages and the omnibus in the interests of completion/navigation/readability. Lasting significance is ultimately subjective for a long time. Surely the results of the 2011 Japanese Grand Prix would have lasting significance to those involved with motorsports or interested in Formula 1, but have little to no bearing to those who aren't interested. Does that mean Formula One solely needs an omnibus? No. You'll notice in particular that singular event pages are in conjunction with a stand alone article. Teamsleep (talk) 13:21, 25 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]