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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Shahhh (talk | contribs) at 17:59, 21 May 2012 (→Welcome!). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

Welcome!

Hello, Shahhh, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions, especially what you did for Taxila. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your messages on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or ask your question on this page and then place {{help me}} before the question. Again, welcome! lTopGunl (talk) 01:32, 20 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have gone through the helping articles above Thankyou User Topgun.--Shahhh (talk) 17:59, 21 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

May 2012

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is invited to contribute, at least one of your recent edits did not appear to be constructive and has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any test edits you would like to make, and read the welcome page to learn more about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. Thank you. lTopGunl (talk) 01:34, 20 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thankyou for the Guidelines, I will use them next time and I am new to editing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shahhh (talk • contribs)

Hello. In case you didn't know, when you add content to talk pages and Wikipedia pages that have open discussion, you should sign your posts by typing four tildes ( ~~~~ ) at the end of your comment. You could also click on the signature button or located above the edit window. This will automatically insert a signature with your username or IP address and the time you posted the comment. This information is useful because other editors will be able to tell who said what, and when they said it. I think you mistakenly copied my signature to the end of your comments which I assume was a mistake. --lTopGunl (talk) 21:45, 20 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yes , I'm trying to fit in... Thankyou I will use the signature button.--Shahhh (talk) 07:05, 21 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Flag Icons

Please do not put flag icons on top of city infoboxes. It already says which country the city is in. City articles do not contain flags generally, atleast not on the top of the infobox. --lTopGunl (talk) 01:37, 20 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

If you checkout any city of India or United Kingdom- you will never find any other flag but their own country flag. This is pathetic that Pakistani cities have separate flags to their singular country flag. You need to take this in notice and act upon it! Mind it if you are a true Pakistani- then you should use a single Pakistani flag on all the Wikipedia material related to Pakistani cities. Thankyou! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shahhh (talk • contribs)

Please see my reply at my talk page, where you responded. You can discuss further when you are unblocked. Read this before starting to edit again as it will help you understand how to go about making the new edits. When your edits are removed, you have to discuss with that editor on article talkpage and when there is an agreement then you insert what is decided. In case of a disagreement, you can follow up at one of the many dispute resolution venues so that other uninvolved editors can help resolve the dispute. You may also be confused about some things like the Balochistan province and the Balochistan region which are two different things. If you think some thing is being done at the other articles and not here and that you have a valid point, you can bring that up in a discussion (like you did on my talk page), not by reverting edits. --lTopGunl (talk) 21:40, 20 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I have been blocked by you " user topgun"... and now this other user... totally not fare. I did not do any further editing - trying to learn from you. Unable to reply on your talk page due to "Block by Qwyrxian". I did not get any warnings from this new user...whats happening?--Shahhh (talk) 07:17, 21 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, the fact there shouldn't be any small flag icon on top of the page which was a mistake. But If you check out any other cities of India , They only place their Indian flag which means no emblems no other flag. There shouldn't be no other flag than Pakistani Flag. --Shahhh (talk) 07:20, 21 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I can explain the blocking part. First, any editor may warn any other editor when they perceive editing that violates one of our rules (policies and guidelines). In this case, across a number of articles, you kept adding flags, despite being told not to. More importantly, from my perspective, was that you were trying to call Balochistan a province of Pakistan, which it is not. To me, that meant you were either vandalizing, or trying to push a point of view (claiming ownership for one country for an area that stretches across several). Both are unacceptable behavior. While any editor can warn another, only administrators can block other editors. Top Gun reported your problematic behavior on one of your noticeboards, where I saw the complaint. After reviewing your edits, I felt that the edits were improper, and that even after being warned multiple times, you persisted in the same problematic edits. I felt that the only way to stop the disruption was to temporarily block you. I don't need to warn you first, since Top Gun already did that (it wouldn't make sense that you can only be blocked by someone that's warned you). Then, I re-blocked you, making the block longer, because, instead of waiting for your block to expire, or requesting an unblock like is explained below, you created a new account and carried on the same problematic behavior. That's a significant problem. Now, if you want to request to be unblocked, please follow the procedures outlined in the red box below. If you make another account (we call that a sockpuppet, we'll spot that, block it, and then I'll block this account indefinitely. (talk) 08:31, 21 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Your re-block does not make sense to me user: Qwyrxian, I have made another account so that I could reply on the topgun talk page- as you have seen my reply there. Give me a reference of why you have blocked me??? have I done any other bad edit? I have been told about the issue about the flags and I have understood the matter, there is no point of your block just because your admin does not mean you block someone who is already been blocked.--Shahhh (talk) 10:13, 21 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

As Qwyrxian explain above, I am not an administrator, I only asked on the noticeboard for your edits to be checked and prevented by an administrator. Qwyrxian randomly saw that request and acted upon it, which makes Qwyrxian uninvolved/neutral. As for your edits, I know you are a new editor trying to fit in so I even asked for a second opinion from another editor from Wikiproject Pakistan (as your edits were related to Pakistan related articles). It is for your own benefit that you have been stopped now. You can read WP:SOCK, multiple accounts are not allowed either to trick or to evade a block. I can read your reply here. Do not make more accounts to reply on other pages, first get unblocked from here and then you can do that from this account. Since a block is on a person, not an account... any accounts you will make will also be blocked. Hope you understand it now. If you understand why you were blocked simply use the unblock template as Qwyrxian told you. A second admin will review and unblock or decline. Your block will expire after a few days anyway, the blocks are just preventive, not punitive. If you assure that you will follow up due discussion before making more edits, I'm sure you will be unblocked. --lTopGunl (talk) 10:25, 21 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Shahhh, while I can understand that you might possibly have been confused about the original edits, I simply cannot believe that you could believe it's okay to, after being blocked, make a new account and then keep making the same edits. While we don't usually block people without warning them first, it's just obvious that if you're blocked, you can't just make a new account and keep editing. Also, you didn't just reply to TopGun--you went back and re-added the flags.
However, even after saying all of that, I am willing to consider unblocking you if the bad behavior will stop. First, before I can do that, I'll need you to explain why you were changing Balochistan to say that it is a "one of the four provinces of Pakistan". ALternatively, as TopGun says, you can ask to have a different (new) admin review your block--just follow the instructions in the red box below, being sure to give a good explanation for why you should be unblocked. Qwyrxian (talk) 12:06, 21 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

User:Qwyrxian , well, I got confused with the Pre-historic Region Balochistan and Pakistan's province Balochistan. On the heading of (region) Balochistan it should mention that this article is about Prehistoric Balochistan and it is very confusing as both Balochistan articles have just Balochistan written on them which can confuse Iranian part of Balochistan and Pakistan Balochistan. The one "Balochistan Article " written on the region (prehistoric) - which atcually is not the same anymore because it has been divided and a part of Balochistan is a province of Pakistan and some part in Iran and they pronounce it as Baluchestan Province . User: Topgun, Yes, now I understand the process , will definitely discuss before making edits. I want to to discuss the issue with Pakistani flag and flags of Pakistani provinces. Is there a need of provincial flag when countries like United Kingdom and India they use their country flag? There is a sense of unity when there is only One flag. --Shahhh (talk) 14:41, 21 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Pakistan

User Topgun There is another issue I want to highlight, mostly all the articles related to Pakistan have " present day - Pakistan" written on them. Well it has already been established that - there is a place called Pakistan after the British raj or British India. The Indian do not use British India in the articles where it should be mentioned British India or British raj, They use INDIA only. We should write Pakistan in the articles confidently, there were so many articles where they have written everything but have not mentioned the location- which I found out it was Pakistan.--Shahhh (talk) 16:57, 21 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'll let Qwyrxian reply to the block. I think you will do very well if you discuss whenever your edits are reverted, like you are discussing now - the world is not going to end and you can finally implement the change after discussion even if it takes a week. I've taken the liberty to move this to a separate section so that your unblock discussion is not hampered. Hope you don't mind that. About the mention of Pakistan, if there is a specific, you can always ask on the talk page of that article, bring it to me or start a thread at Wikiproject Pakistan talkpage where there will be many Pakistani editors to help you understand or make those corrections for you in a correct way. As a general rule, when we talk about a place with reference to a time when Pakistan was not created, we say "British India" (or "Mughal empire"? or whatever that country was at that time) with "Present day Pakistan" in brackets if necessary (see Jinnah's date of birth on his article for example). When we are talking about an incident that took place after Pakistan was created or about some thing in the present (like Taxila, even though it is historical), we then use "Pakistan" for it. The same thing should be done for India too. Other wise it is incorrect and should be fixed there too - which you can do as well (but with due discussion if reverted). If, for example, Indus valley civilization says it is in "present day Pakistan", that is correct because that civilization was pre-Pakistan and does not exist any more. That is just the correct use of English (or even in Urdu). About the provincial flags, those flags are of provincial governments which means they are Pakistani flags (not the national ones but you can add the national flag in the infobox where it says the province belongs to Pakistan - that would be okay). This is an encyclopedia, so the articles should be providing complete information about the province in question. If some one wants to know about the provincial emblem or flag of Balochistan, they should be able to find it in an encyclopedia, that is positive information. Hope you get my point now. You can disagree with me, but when you do - agree to disagree, and follow up a discussion. I can help you understand the process more and link you to further processes and ways to resolve disagreements. --lTopGunl (talk) 17:30, 21 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]


its oky , hmmm oky yes agree..., If I have more questions will ask you for guidance.Thankyou user topgun.

--Shahhh (talk) 17:57, 21 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Flag icons

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, you may be blocked from editing. lTopGunl (talk) 01:49, 20 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This is your last warning. If you vandalize Wikipedia again, as you did at Balochistan, you will be blocked from editing without further notice.
Your edits have been automatically marked as vandalism and have been automatically reverted. The following is the log entry regarding this vandalism: Balochistan was changed by Shahhh (u) (t) ANN scored at 0.855301 on 2012-05-20T01:52:28+00:00 . Thank you. ClueBot NG (talk) 01:52, 20 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This is your last warning. The next time you vandalize Wikipedia, as you did at Balochistan, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Either you don't understand it or you are doing it on purpose, you are messing up a whole lot of articles without listening to any warnings or advise. Balochistan is not the same as Balochistan, Pakistan. One is about the whole region and the other about the province. lTopGunl (talk) 01:58, 20 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 72 hours for not editing with a neutral point of view (i.e., you're trying to push a specific POV) and edit warring. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you would like to be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding the text {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. Qwyrxian (talk) 13:36, 20 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Because you created User:Syedjafferi to avoid the block on this account, I have increased your block to 1 week. You are blocked. That means that you may not edit. If you think the block is in error, you may appeal the block as explained in the red box above. Creating a new account to continue the same disruptive behavior is not acceptable. Qwyrxian (talk) 21:13, 20 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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