Talk:Divemaster

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Generalising to cover other programs

While this is fine as a "place holder," much of the text appears to have been lifted from the PADI website and thus is not really applicable to anything but PADI programs..Wiki4robert&me (talk) 00:11, 16 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

With the addition of SDI to the mix we must, I fear, come to a major decision: all through the diving section do we have subjects like "Divemaster" that we then discuss in the mos general terms and have subheadings for each agency (as time and interest permit) to talk about the specifics of that agency (combining those that are identical or almost identical would be fine too) or do we ignore agency differences and strive for the most general possible descriptors without any mention of this agency or that? The way we are headed appears to me to not be a productive one. I suggest the former, with the work that would entail in all the other certification level entries, though I might be easily persuaded to the latter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiki4Thal (talk • contribs) 22:55, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This is not difficult. We don't have any decision to make at present. Everything in the article needs to be sourceable to a reliable source, and we should remove all the verbiage that is unsourced. At present there are 3 sources given:

"Divemaster Courses - Lessons, Training, Tips & Professional Careers - PADI Scuba Diving Training Organization". Retrieved 30 December 2011.
"NAUI Worldwide Leadership Courses Instructor". Retrieved 30 December 2011.
"Diving Course Syllabus - British Sub-Aqua Club". Retrieved 30 December 2011.

All that is needed is to read those sources and summarise what is contained there. That would consist of:

the role of Divemaster in the PADI system and in the NAUI system;
the relative level of DM in each of those two programs, and in comparison to the BSAC program;
the pre-requisites and training required to become a DM in PADI & NAUI.

If any other relevant sources and/or topics are available, then perhaps they could be indicated here. Once all of the sources have been collected and read, then writing the text will be straightforward, as long as we avoid writing stuff that isn't properly sourced. There's no deadline so I suggest we revisit this in a week and work from what is available then. --RexxS (talk) 00:25, 30 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

NAUI Divemaster

Pointing out the differences between the way in which programs are organized so as to explain the "superior" position of the divemaster in the NAUI program is hardly promotional. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiki4Thal (talk • contribs) 06:15, 4 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that the text you added is not actually promotional, but Ckatz has something of a point about rewriting it to be more encyclopaedic in style. Unfortunately Ckatz's attempt to do so has left it unclear, so it needs reworking again so the information is unambiguous. Back to you Wiki4Thal... Cheers, Peter (Southwood) ^(talk): 10:42, 4 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've invited Ckatz to discuss his edits here. Hopefully you'll be able to find enough common ground to form a consensus. --RexxS (talk) 11:40, 4 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That's fine, but I do not feel that wholesale deletions of relevant information without promulgation of new text that meets the same legitimate goal to be an acceptable practice. Wiki4Thal (talk) 18:05, 4 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Neither are random and spurious accusations of "vandalism". New editor or not, that's just not appropriate. As to the content, here seem to be enough people involved now to hammer it out; my interests were solely in addressing an apparent problem. Cheers. --Ckatz^chat_spy 19:24, 4 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I did not accuse you of vandalism, what I said, after reverting, with a comment in talk, (is that not the correct procedure?) was "I'm about to call your edits vandalism." No where near the same thing.

Main article: Vandalism on Wikipedia

"... Sometimes editors commit vandalism by removing information or entirely blanking a given page."

I apologize to you for being new at this, but despite your seniority, until we have open discussion of what I feel was your high handed action and unwelcoming attitude, I must, respectfully request that you refrain from any editing of any of my contributions. At this stage, I have no faith in your impartiality or your ability to judge the apparentness of a problem. Wiki4Thal (talk) 20:26, 4 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]