Talk:Tourism

International stats

En-bateu, I would like to know why you trimmed the international stat tables, which for a long time had at least data for the latest three years (check the article history since 2008). Is it OK with you if I restore at least 2009 and 2010.--Mariordo (talk) 23:00, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

In fact I thought it was more relevant and cleaner to conserve only a column with the percentage of increase or decrease from the precedent year, but unfortunately, a user prefered to remove it (this is the subject of another topic above about International tourism expenditures). I prefer this system of growing column, I think that's more clear and relevant for users, but if you want to preserve the complete data for the latest three years, it's also OK for me. Cordially, En-bateau (talk) 00:45, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation. I can restore the previous years and format it in such a way to keep the percentage change. Once I am finished with the update in the Spanish and Portuguese articles, I will indeed restore the stats. Cheers.--Mariordo (talk) 01:27, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Very important definition of tourism on the world

Very important definition:

In 2001 Mr. David Martin Rendón of the Private University of Tacna - Peru, tourism is defined to science "The turismología" as: "Social Science of fact, given by an orderly process that includes different actions motivation, movement and use of space tourism, the plant that supports it, its structure and super structure of the homos turísticus ".

Yours comments pls? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Turismologotcq (talk • contribs) 23:44, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Calling it a "very important definition" will necessitate a reliable source. After it is shown to be a notable definition, someone will have to write it in English of an encyclopedic style. __ Just plain Bill (talk) 01:02, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Just plain Bill, I didn't find any reference of this definition except from a blog. Cordially, En-bateau (talk) 09:47, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

I agree also, I only found the statement in a personal blog, which is not a RS. Because the paragraph is poorly translated, I'm removing it. The UNWTO definition would be the standard. --Funandtrvl (talk) 20:22, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Mecca

Saudi Arabia has been visited by 10.85 million international tourists in 2010 (http://mkt.unwto.org/sites/all/files/docpdf/unwtohighlights11enhr.pdf) : Mecca can't receive 13 million international tourists per year. Your source certainly added domestic tourists. Moreover, we quote only official sources here, not magazines. If you read arab, you may find some information on the official site of the city : http://www.holymakkah.gov.sa/. Cordially, En-bateau (talk) 20:45, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Got qualifications in travel and tourism

can I edit this and improve it thanks Aylish (talk) 10:39, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Turkey

Turkey reach in 2011 31.5m visitors. source: http://english.sabah.com.tr/Travel/2012/01/25/a-new-record-in-tourism-31456076 88.64.182.125 (talk) 23:46, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Most visited cities list

I don't see how it could conceivably be correct that Antalya gets more international visitors than New York. Is this a result of compiling together statistics from different sources that are using different definitions? Beyond that, I also think it's problematic to conflate "international visitors" and "tourists." Overall, I find this list to be wildly unbelievable, and probably a work of original synthesis, which should be removed as original research. john k (talk) 19:21, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

All the sources are official, there's no original research although a simple indicative table should be more adapted : there's no reason to make a ranking since, actually, methodologies can vary between the cities (but not that much when we know the census base for each city). There's no way to have a more reliable information, these statistics are moreover the base of most of the surveys in that area.

I agree that the figure of Antalya is quite astonishing, but it could be rationalized knowing that Turkey receives 30 million tourists each year and that Antalya is the most visited city of the country (http://www.invest.gov.tr/en-US/infocenter/publications/Documents/TOURISM.INDUSTRY.pdf). But we actually have a problem with three cities in terms of transparency : Antalya, Istanbul (same source) and New York : they're all official but don't provide detailed statistics about their visitors or their methodology.

There's another study made by Mastercard (http://newsroom.mastercard.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/MasterCard_Global_Destination_Cities_Index_2012.pdf) based on aerial trafic projections which offers other estimations but, like the authors concede themselves, brings distorsions and have important flaws. Notably it doesn't consider road, rail and ship transport which is problematic when we know that most of the foreign tourists comes from a close country and that each city has very different accessibility characteristics. However mention it in another table with an indicative note may not be uninteresting and couuld bring another angle of view ?...

Cordially, En-bateau (talk) 22:18, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi, En-bateau, thanks for the response. I think that this does qualify as original research, in the particular form of "original synthesis." Basically, that means we are combining different sources to create new material which doesn't exist in the sources. The original sources give tourist statistics, but because they use different methodologies (and probably because we don't have actual statistics for many cities) giving out a list of the "top 10 cities," or whatever, is creating new information not really present in the original sources. If we want a list of the most visited tourist cities, I think we need a reliable source that actually makes such a list, not our own combination of previously existing data. john k (talk) 14:12, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi, I don't agree, it is not original research. Each statistic is sourced right from the official tourist boards, there's no other "deduction" involved. It's the same as listing population numbers in one of the census tables, some figures would be from the 2010 census (if we're talking about the US, for example) and some figures would be from special censuses (for example, 2011) that the cities took up due to extra population growth between censuses. --17:45, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

P.S. Yes, the Antalya, Turkey figures are correct, apparently they have a ton of tourists from Russia, etc. --Funandtrvl (talk) 17:47, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

medical tourism

Medical tourism is not a part of the tourism. In fact even the name of medical tourism is quite disputable. It is merely the globalization of healthcare partly due to the destruction of the national health care sectors in developed countries. I suggest it to be removed from tourism section.