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Use from SAW when talking on Muhammad constitutes a violation from neutral point of view policy, so I have removed it.

something seems missing here

In the introduction of the article it says he taught every prophet in history except Muhammad, and Muhammad taught him instead. However the bulk of the article does not say anything about where this is said, and doesn't even mention him meeting Muhammad (only mentioning Muhammad saying something about him and him being at Muhammad's funeral.) It doesn't seem to mention his meetings with any prophets besides Moses either. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.151.15.152 (talk) 12:00, 7 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Khidr

Khidr is more common than Al-Khidr and it should be the name of the article. Google gives 33,100 results for "Al-Khidr" [1] and 358,000 results for "Khidr" [2]. To remove the unwanted results if we add "moses" to al-khidr we will get 23,000 results (including the frequency of khidr) [3] and if we add "moses" to khidr we will get 25,400 results (excluding the frequency of al-khidr) [4] ! Lets add "Dhul-Qarnayn" instead of moses, and see the results. al-khidr alongwith "Dhul-Qarnayn" (excluding the frequency of khidr) gives zero result [5] and khidr alongwith "Dhul-Qarnayn" (excluding the frequency of al-khidr) gives 2,760 results [6]. I'm not going further more to show how unpopular and uncommon is "al-khidr" as compared to "khidr", but even the results of khizr or khezr are more than al-khidr! [7] [8] [9]. It's better to have "Khidr" as the title of the article. --Wayiran (talk) 19:30, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I find your arguments unconvincing. Google counts are notoriously unreliable, but in any case there are many more important factors to consider, such as the avoidance of ambiguity and the ease of navigation for people seeking other articles whose names contain or might contain the word "خضر" in some spelling. I also find your insistence on moving the article wihout seeking consensus to be irresponsible. It would be best if other editors could make their views known. SamuelTheGhost (talk) 19:59, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with "SamuelTheGhost" -- in general, the Arabic definite article is somewhat erratically transcribed into English and other languages, but in this particular case, the "al-" in "al-Khidr" helps it be understood as a personal name... AnonMoos (talk) 10:42, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I checked Google books and Google scholar, and Khidr is more commonly used in scholarly texts. --Kurdo777 (talk) 01:46, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If you ask the wrong question, you get the wrong answer. The right question is: What structure of names, redirections and disambiguations will allow all wikipedia users to find their way with least trouble to the article they are looking for? The relevant facts are that we have an Arabic word just meaning "green". The Hans Wehr Arabic dictionary has the entry

الخضر‎ al-ķaḍir, al-ķiḍr a well-known legendary figure

(so implying that the legendary figure always has the definite article). Possible transliterations currently appear in the titles of wikipedia articles with these counts:

Khadr - 10
Khader - 9
Khadir - 3
Khidr - 3
Khider - 2
Khodor - 2
Khizr - 2
Khizar - 2

My conclusion is that the title of this article should be something longer; I notice for example that Green man of Islam is already there as a redirect. Then there should be a disambiguation page for Khadr/Khader/Khadir/Khidr/Khider/Khodor/Khizr/Khizar using one of those spellings, and redirects into it from all the other versions. SamuelTheGhost (talk) 13:04, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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