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RN Dockyards

Is there a list of dockyards of the Royal Navy anywhere on WP; and how dockyards, in general, functioned on their many levels of operation? I am particularly very interested in the age of sail. An adjunct of this would be the primary ports-of-call where RN had its own military establishments, separate from ports-of-call where an allied country simply provided basic maratime services. Benyoch (talk) 05:21, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

THere is Royal Navy Dockyard which lists them and also discusses overseas dockyards but it could do with expansion. Dabbler (talk) 10:12, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Dabbler, that's a great help indeed! Benyoch (talk) 11:30, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Citation needed

I am afraid a statement like "It remains a prominent blue-water navy with the ability to project power globally." needs a citation from a contemporary source to remain in the article. --John (talk) 10:03, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

As none has been forthcoming in almost a month, I am removing this. --John (talk) 20:49, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 30 April 2012

There is an error on this page suggesting the royal navy was surpassed by the american and japanese navies at outbreak of war in 1939. This is incorrect numerically, tactically and training wise. Also in the quality of the ships. Also I would like to add notes about the British navy having trained japans navy. Its misleading to suggest the navy was inferior at this point when the navy was actaully weakened by attrition throughout the war. 2.25.118.233 (talk) 20:42, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

The exact change you want made is required for an edit request. You will also need to provide reliable sources to back up the changes you want to make. As for wanting to edit the article, it is semi-protected, which means you must be registered and autoconfirmed to edit the article. — Bility (talk) 21:36, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

I would also suggest an edit, to the comment that the RN was considerably weaker than the USN at the end of the second world-war. According to David Wragg's book - Royal Navy Handbook 1939-1945 - at the end of the war, there were 863,000 men, 61 battleships and cruisers, 59 aircraft carriers and 864 destroyers. When submarines, frigates, corvettes etc. are added in the RN exceeded 1,000 ships and was larger than the combined numbers of every other navy in the world.

Black Swan class

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/23/arms-navies-smallships-idUSL5E8GN01420120523 Inspired by the fast sailing frigates of the Napoleonic Wars and the corvettes, destroyers and submarines hunters of the Second World War, the "Black Swan" project is controversial. It remains far from clear whether the concept will be adopted and taken further.

Worth a mention yet? Hcobb (talk) 13:25, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

'Know your enemy' seems so pertinent. Reuters article is interesting, thanks for the link. Here is a MOD sketch 'The future ‘Black Swan’ class sloop-of-war' with brief MOD discussion here. If Black Swan class is mentioned then MOD's JOINT CONCEPT NOTE 1-12 FUTURE ‘BLACK SWAN’ CLASS SLOOP-OF-WAR: A GROUP SYSTEM will be essential reading and reference, I figure. Benyoch ^{...Don't panic! Don't panic!...} (talk) 15:18, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

The few big ships vs many small ships debate is one that continues year on year, so it's nothing special. You'll generally find it's a topic that's given on most staff college courses either ICSC or ACSC. What's interesting about the proposal is that the core ship suddenly becomes quite high value as it's the C2 node for a number of Uninhabited Maritime Vehicles, which moves away from the low-value highly-dispensable model.

There are a couple of big clues in the DCDC name, concepts and doctrine. DCDC is essentially a think-tank based at the Defence Academy in Shrivenham, they produce a great many papers on a range of subjects, some of which go places and some don't.

In terms of the defence acquisition process DCDC contribute to the analysis that identifies what capability gaps might exist, that's then taken forward into the process where potential methods of filling the gap are identified.

I'd suggest that the Reuters report isn't corroboration, because it's clearly derived from the concept note.

What the JCN will do is perhaps inform some of the routine debate.

In response to the question, I would say no it's not reasonable to mention it, you've got a single source that's not speaking on behalf of the RN. However interesting the concept itself might be.

ALR (talk) 18:26, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Scottish navy?

The history section discusses the English navy before 1707, and the British navy after 1707, but says nothing about a Scotish navy. Did Scotland had a navy as well? If so, what happened to it after the Union of the Crowns, and the Act of Union? The acticle needs to say somethign about this.Wardog (talk) 14:41, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Hello Wardog, this point has been addressed before (see Archive 4). User MilborneOne put it like this, "...the Royal Navy has been the British Navy since 1707 and the union with Scotland, before that the Royal Navy was the Navy of England. MilborneOne (talk) 18:42, 20 July 2008 (UTC). So the only issue for this article is that the 'Royal Scots Navy' was subsumed into the Royal Navy in 1707. However, this led to the addition of a grand total of two frigates, less than 2% of the strength at that time, and so this is barely relevant for the main Royal Navy article, which in my view already has far too much history (the main article is supposed to be "History of the Royal Navy" Thom2002 (talk) 15:00, 12 June 2012 (UTC)