Talk:Roman Warm Period

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Recreated

I see that I have recreated a page that has been thrice deleted in the past. However my links are new and please don't delete this page and redirect it back to the Medieval Warm Period without discussion at least as it is clearly a different subject. I am not sure which categories to add this page to. Smokey TheCat 04:03, 19 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I confess that I have completely forgotten how to use HotCat. Smokey TheCat 22:16, 19 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Revision needed

I believe this article needs revision by somebody with relevant expertise - at least some of the linked peer-reviewed articles do not appear at first glance to be particularly relevant, and many of the other links are not to reputable sources. 58.175.113.40 (talk) 23:41, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Beginning to sort out the wheat from the chaff

I've removed one or two references that didn't check out, and added a qualifier--the evidence is regional rather than global. I'm in some doubt as to reference 1, which appears to be a conflation of two separate references, neither of which is much use on paleoclimatology. --TS 23:59, 22 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Good start, I've commented out some references to very dubious sources: if there's any real backing, editors can check for peer reviewed papers or other reliable publications. The wine growing issue was discussed at RealClimate, and a more specific comment on Roman era wine growing appears in "The History Of English Wine Production". English Wine Producers. Retrieved 2011-09-23. so I've used that source together with "Midlands and North Vineyard Listing". English Wine Producers. Retrieved 2011-09-23. which notes current grape production in Northamptonshire and further north in England. dave souza, talk 09:50, 23 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Why is an article entitled "Roman Warm Period" being transformed into an article about modern wine production? Kauffner (talk) 11:57, 23 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Why does this article state that "Olive presses have been found at Sagalassos in Anatolia, although it is now too cold to grow olives in this area."? The only function of these proxies is as a comparison with modern agriculture, if wine production has any relevance as a proxy it shows that it's been warm enough to grow grapes in England both in Roman times and recently, with the early Medieval period also featuring wine production. . . dave souza, talk 15:24, 23 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It comes directly from a relevant source. You are using sources that have nothing to do with this period. The flimsiest pretext is being used to remove anything relevant. If the Cambridge histories and Science magazine are not up to snuff as sources, than nothing is. Oh, and it, "has been interpreted as suggesting"? Thanks for the personal commentary. Kauffner (talk) 17:25, 23 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

What is this relevant source for the vineyards? Brown et al. establish the likely existence of a British Roman vineyard, but don't seem to say anything about climate change or about a "Roman Warm Period", perhaps we shouldn't be using that source. "The History Of English Wine Production". English Wine Producers. Retrieved 2011-09-23. notes that "It is generally agreed that the Romans introduced the vine to Britain. It has also been inferred that the climate in Britain at that time was warmer." It goes on to say that "At the end of the first century AD, however, the writer Tacitus declared that our climate was “objectionable”, and not at all suitable for growing vines, which could suggest that someone had at least tried to establish vines, even if they had been unsuccessful." Perhaps we should also mention that point. Note that "warmer" is in the context of comparison to Pre Roman Britain. . . dave souza, talk 17:56, 23 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Why is there no "Minoan Warm Period" wikipedia page ?? The "Minoan Warm Period" is known to have occured around 1000 BC Minoan Warm Period 3000 years ago Roman Warm Period 2000 years ago Mideval Warm Period 1000 years ago Modern Warm period, like now. P.S. RealClimate you must be joking