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JoshuSasori

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20 February 2013

– An SPI clerk has endorsed a request for CheckUser. A checkuser will shortly review the case.

Suspected sockpuppets

The Mysterious Island account was created[1] only two days after JoshuSasori was blocked[2] and has proceeded to make over 1000 edits. They work in the same areas (particularly Japanese film), and have edited 185 of the same articles. Mysterious Island is too knowledgeable to be a new editor and follows much of Joshu's MO, including replacing Japanese names with English translations (compare [3] and [4]), removing or altering macrons - often as the very next edit after Joshu ([5] and [6]; [7] and [8], etc.), and participating in RMs to do the same.
However, evidence from today clinches it as far as I'm concerned: After Elvenscout742 moved Yoko Ogawa to Yōko Ogawa, an obvious Joshu sock started an RM to remove the macron. When someone opposed, Mysterious Island showed up to move the page anyway. Call me cynical, but this looks like Joshu, unable to move the page unilaterally as an anon, bringing in his good hand sock to get his way. If it is Joshu, he's also double-voted at least in this RM started by a sockpuppet.Cúchullain t/c 02:27, 20 February 2013 (UTC) Cúchullain t/c 02:27, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by other users

Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.

This sockpuppet investigation was opened on behalf of Elvenscout742 in an effort to evade scrutiny of his actions. See this. Mysterious Island (talk) 02:33, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Asking someone a question on their public talkpage isn't evading scrutiny. Sockpuppetry on the other hand... At any rate, please respond to the evidence (collected on no one's behalf but mine).--Cúchullain t/c 02:44, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Seems clear that MeNoLike123 is another sock; it's already been blocked, but shows the extent of the hounding and disruption.--Cúchullain t/c 02:56, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't know IP users were unable to move pages over redirects by themselves, which is why I said I "suspect"[9] Mysterious Island of being connected with JoshuSasori, but the above evidence is pretty convincing. I first suspected MI when, like JoshuSasori, they picked up on a minor technical glitch in an edit I had made and used it as an excuse to revert me completely.[10][11] Needless to say, this reminded me somewhat of JoshuSasori's actions on Dreams (1990 film) and Double Suicide of Sonezaki.[12][13] I informed User:TParis (the admin responsible for blocking JoshuSasori in the first place[14]) of my concern by e-mail, and he responded (again by e-mail) that while I was right to be concerned, I should wait until Mysterious Island shows a more recurrent pattern of harassing me like JoshuSasori did. The second bad faith revert of a move I made in as many weeks was enough to make me publicly express my concern to Cuchullain.[15][16][17] And so here we are.
I was unaware of MeNoLike123's existence until Cuchullain's post above, but it is somewhat disturbing to me that an account could show up out of the blue and revert a bunch of my edits in bad faith -- were this one not so blatant about it, it might have gotten away with it. (JoshuSasori's activities between mid-December and mid-January were divided about 50-50 between removing macrons and undoing every edit I made -- obviously this got under my skin.)
elvenscout742 (talk) 13:18, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Additionally, I note that Mysterious Island's above failure to make any concrete defense against the allegations, instead expecting other users to trawl through my edit history to see my "actions" that are "evading scrutiny", closely resembles JoshuSasori's comments on both DRN and ANI shortly before getting blocked. (Digging up JoshuSasori's actual posts in which he failed to provide valid arguments is difficult because his contributions list is riddled with him making minor tweaks to comments he had already posted, but other impartial users agreed with this.[18][19][20]) Additionally, I should note that I have not made any attempt to "evade scrutiny": I was concerned that posting a third JoshuSasori SPI in less than a month would be unseemly,[21] and since five or six users have now taken note of JoshuSasori's obvious sockpuppetry (In ictu oculi, TParis, Cuchullain, Yunshui, Salvio giuliano and kinda-sorta Lukeno94, to name a few for the record) I decided to let Cuchullain start the investigation for this one. (Cuchullain was actually the first to use the word "sockpuppet" in reference to Mysterious Island, as well.[22]) elvenscout742 (talk) 14:26, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
By the way, do I have to tell all the above users that they were name-dropped in this SPI? elvenscout742 (talk) 14:26, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
From the WP:SPI main page: "Notification is courteous but isn't mandatory, and in some cases it may be sub-optimal. Use your best judgement." --BDD (talk) 22:00, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I noticed that too. I guess the one that was added is a recent one. I think general consensus is that all of these anons (and there are a lot of them) are JoshuSasori, but that nothing can be done about them except for possibly a few strategic range-blocks and semi-protections. That's why I don't particular see the point of mentioning any of the IPs in the above Suspected sockpuppets except the one that RMed Yoko Ogawa and possibly the ones that have voted with Mysterious Island in other RMs. elvenscout742 (talk) 03:51, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'd say it's fairly obvious that the IP I reverted (with a POINTy edit summary that I won't apologize for - I take a dim view of sock puppeters and people who violate WP:HOUND) is a sock. I also don't see why it would be "unseemly" to have three SPIs on the same person in a month - after all, they are a prolific sock user, and you're clearly being hounded. Lukeno94 (talk) 08:09, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Three SPIs on the same person by the same person. My having not been on good terms with JoshuSasori before he got blocked is obvious, and while there is no longer any doubt in anyone's mind that JoshuSasori controls the anons, maybe I was disappointed that nothing substantial could be done about it, and chose to pick on some random new user. That's why, when Cuchullain first suggested Mysterious Island might be a sock, I asked that he start the SPI this time. Also, my lack of knowledge of moving over redirects and IP accounts meant that I missed the single most important piece of circumstantial evidence, which CC deftly caught. elvenscout742 (talk) 08:17, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Amazed at gullibility of Wikipedia administrators
    1. JoshuSasori didn't hound Trollvenlout, that is truly ridiculous. Clear evidence was presented that Trollvenlout was in fact hounding the other editor, which was completely ignored. After JoshuSasori was blocked, Trollvenlout, who'd been relentlessly trolling and hounding after JS every day on Japanese cinema pages until then, did not make a single edit on the Japanese cinema pages for two entire weeks. Two entire fucking weeks, you brain-damaged chipmunks. Check his edit records, if you doubt it. Or is that too much effort for you, you fucking pathetic, ludicrous excuses for administrators?
    2. Just how difficult is it to change the style of edit summaries? Jeez, you people are gullible. Laughable, and ludicrous, and incredible at the same time.
    3. None of the anonymous editors is JoshuSasori. Neither is Menolike123. How fucking stupid are you? The anon repeatedly pointed out where he'd interacted with JS on various pages, and yet you fucking pointy-headed lunatics invented some fucked-up rationalization after another rather than face the obvious fact: I'm not the only user who doesn't like Trollvenlout. In fact it was pretty hilarious when Trollvenlout started accusing that IP user of being JoshuSasori, I started doing things like copying articles like Reiko Dan right out of the JoshuSasori workspace, but none of you clueless gullible fuckwits even noticed, and you went on trying to block that poor fellow. Good luck to him though. What a bunch of pathetic gullible idiots Wiki admins are to believe Trollvenlout that it was a sock puppet.
    4. Trollvenlout was not only lying about me but about Tristan noir. It took TEN FUCKING MINUTES to find THREE PLACES where the cunt was lying about Tristan noir. TEN FUCKING MINUTES looking through the edit summaries to find THREE blatant lies from Trollvenlout. What the fuck is wrong with you morons to block Tristan on the basis of Trollvenlout's fucking obvious lies? Utterly fucking incredible.
    5. JoshuSasori has a far more productive edit record than Trollvenlout, or indeed a lot of the incompetent, gullible, sadistic, and semi-literate (I'm talking about you, TParis) administrators. I give you almost all of Kaneto Shindo, Yasujiro Ozu, Yusaku Matsuda, multiple film articles and others. Just look through his edit records. In contrast, most of the Trollvenlout's output, who has a lower edit count than JS in total, consists of talk page bickering, and adding minor pieces of original research bullshit to articles. When the cunt isn't busy arse-licking Wikipedia administrators.
  • You are a bunch of gullible, ludicrous, incompetent fuckwits. Mysterious Island (talk) 09:47, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments
  • CheckUser requested - Self-endorsed by clerk for checkuser attention - A large amount of behavioral evidence consistent with Joshu has been presented, but the edit summary style is markedly different. I'd like a checkuser to confirm or deny sockpuppetry. Reaper Eternal (talk) 03:39, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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