Talk:Bulgars

Once upon a time, in a steppe far, far away...

It is a dark time for the rebellion bulgak tribe. Although the Hunnic Empire has been destroyed, imperial troops have driven the rebel forces from their hidden base and pursued them across the Pontic Steppe.

Evading the dreaded Imperial horsefleet, a group of freedom fighters led by Khan Asparukh Skywalker conquered Scythia Minor, opening access to Moesia, and established the First Bulgarian Empire.

The evil lord Genghis khan, obsessed with finding young Asparukh Skywalker, has dispatched thousands of remote probes into the far reaches of steppe...

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You can replace the original article with this text and it won't make any difference. Seriously. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kanas Juvigi Asparukh (talk • contribs) 08:01, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Pan-turkism

Do you know what pan-turkism is? This article is pan-turkism! A pathetic try of the primitive turkish people to relate to the europeans by stealing their history and heritage! According to the pan-turkism the bulgarians, germans, persians, etc. are turks, the sumerians were turks too, the turks are the oldest folk on this earth and all the modern civilisation originates from them! Articles like this filled with turkish propaganda make wikipedia look highly unreliable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 145.255.193.233 (talk) 20:30, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

The writer of the above is confusing Turkish with Turkic, and Bulgarians with Bulgars. Maproom (talk) 09:22, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

It's a scientific and academic fact, and not a part of Pan-Turkism. As Maproom said, you are confusing Turkish with Turkic; and the same way Bulgarian with Bulgar. 78.170.100.150 (talk) 10:33, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

I think that you both have no idea about the history of the BULGARians and european and central asian folks in general, and you are both nothing more than confused teens. Bulgars and Bulgarians are the same people, in the bulgarian language there is only one word - BULGARI! Even on wikipedia it's written that bulgars and bulgarians is the same http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgarians Stop confusing the readers with your separatism! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 145.255.195.39 (talk) 19:51, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

I am speachless about the bias in this article.As a bulgarian I am also very offended.It is sad that history is used in such blatant way to push political doctrines and to be more specific pan-turkism!!The turkic theory was long time ago proven wrong.First of all bulgars never used the title "khan"!!!The title they used is "kanas u bigi".The title "kanas"is an old form of "knyaz" and "bigi" is an old form of "bog".The whole title "kanas u bigi"/"канас у биги" means "ruler from god".In greek sources it is translated as "ΕК ΘΕΟΙ ΑΡΧΟΝΤΟΣ /ΑΡΧΟΝΤΙΝ" which means the same." ΕK ΘΕΟΙ"(From God) and "ΑΡΧΟΝΤΟΣ"(Ruler).The reason why the pan-turkist historians don't mention the whole title "kanas u bigi" is because it has no meaning whatsoever in any turkic or altaic language.That's why they cut off words from the original inscription and make it "khan" which is nothing more than historical distortion!This is very well explained from проф.Ганчо Ценов in his book “Кроватова България и покръстването на българите”.Second,the name bulgar has nothing to do with the turkish word "bulga" like the name of the country turkey is not relevant to the english word "turkey".Bulgars never call themselves "bulgars", but "Българи" written in old cyrillic or greek script before that.They never used the latin alphabet and this is a name given to them by western sources.Latin sources also used to call them "vulgars" which again has nothing to do with the adjective vulgar.Third what about the other theories of origin of the bulgars or we will push what suits us the most?!!I thought wikipedia is about neutral point of view-if this is so there should be an inscription with big letters that this article represent only the turkic theory because it is a theory not a proven fact!Besides there are also autochthonous(thracian) and iranian theories and they should be mentioned in the title as well if we want to be objective!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.143.231.48 (talk) 14:55, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

After reading the history of this article I've noticed another things that are wrong.Why is wikipedia allowing certain people to monopolize articles like this guy Jingiby and many others.For example Jingiby is editing this article from 2007 till now.Every attempt from other people to add new information about the other theories of origin of the bulgars is discarded as new and unreliable yet he is quoting communist books.It is pretty obvious that he is not objective at all.There should be some limit about the edits someone can make to an article because some people are clearly abusing this.Not to mention that this article is full with errors from top to bottom.For example what is this supposed to mean: "Not to be confused with Bulgarians." May I ask according to whom?!!Who is the author or the book which states this?!!Bulgars,Vulgars,Bulgarians and Βούλγαροι are names given to us by western and greek historians and they all mean the same "Българи"-excactly the way we call ourselves for the last 1300 years.Pan-turkists are distorting history and are trying to steal our heritage!These people are also attacking other articles about Bulgaria and are trying to erase our Middle Ages history as well.Could someone explain to me where is the neutral point of view of wikipedia??!The things happening here remind me of the communist era in my country where alternative point of views and sources were not allowed... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.143.231.48 (talk) 00:19, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 1 August 2012

Please erase the first paragraph of the article. Reasons: Flaming, Racism, Propaganda, Incorrect inforanmtion.

1. Sources: YOUR OWN SITE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgarians

Even there it is written in the article about bulgarians that Bulgars and Bulgarians ARE THE SAME PEOPLE!

2. There are many sources with alternative theories.

3. This is not even the officialy accepted theory of the origin of the Bulgars.

4. It's obviously edited to inspire racial hatred.

5. Please remove the rights of the person responsible for the article, since it sounds to us like the phrase "The origin of the Americans are the homosexual aborigenians who escaped from India" sounds to a homophobic white American.

Please substitute it with the original theory (That we originated from an independent nomadic tribe) or choose one of the less flaming theories, like the one about the Thracian origin of the people whihc explains the vast % of Mediterranean people DNA (over 50%).

Sources: http://demograph.blog.bg/politika/2012/02/15/ot-kyde-doidoha-shvedite.902274 http://www.trud.bg/Article.asp?ArticleId=142530 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nejGo6bS1d4

similarities in the languages of ancient thracians and bulgarians(also known as bulgars in the past): http://sparotok.blog.bg/politika/2012/07/12/280-trakiiski-dumi-i-bylgarskite-im-syotvetstviia-ii.978432

and many other proofs that can be found in the internet. As you can see, if you trace the DNA code you can find that we have insignifficant % of turkis DNA, which was probably due to the 500 years of slavery under the rule of the ottoman empire...

As you see there are much more proofs supporting any other theory than the one posted at the moment... and the one currently displayed is stuffed with flaming and genuine lie, stuffed with propaganda and almost NO scientifical support (since if you actually look in the libraries in Bulgaria you'll find more books proving that we originated from the pinguins than the one that "support" your thesis)... please, be reasonable and edit the article. I'm not telling you to put the thracian one... if you want just stick to the OFFICIAL version which DOES NOT include turkic roots or choose one that is less flaming!

Graveyard (talk) 20:36, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

 Not done: requests must be "please change X to Y" , not "change X". Mdann52 (talk) 07:53, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 11.03.2013

This article needs to be edited because of the following reasons:

First of all the first sentence "Not to be confused with Bulgarians." is implying that bulgars and bulgarians are different things which is nothing more than bias and historical distortion!There is no author or book which states that bulgars and bulgarians are different things.Exactly the opposite-latin and greek sources are using Bulgars,Vulgars,Bulgarians and Βούλγαροι to refer to the same people "Българи".

Second this article is not about the origin of bulgars,but about the turkic theory of origin of bulgars.The first sentence should explain this and add that there are other theories of origin-autochthonous(thracian) and iranian.Otherwise it is misleading!

Third bulgars never used the title khan,but kanasubigi.

Solution: replace "Not to be confused with Bulgarians" with "Turkic theory of origin" and "khan" with "kanasubigi".