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This article is disaster[edit]

This article needs by improvement and current research. There are 17 theories about the origin of the Bulgars, according to different historians. But now in the article is presented only "Turkic nomadic theory", which is very controversial and is the most disputed, because this theory was imposed by the communist regime and every challenge in the period 1944 - 1989 was prohibited. This is an old weak theory. The most of today's independent historians support the Iranian theory about Sarmato - Iranian origin of Bulgars. Now the artcle begin with "Bulgars are Turkic nomadic people", which is wrong. The Bulgars are not nomadic, because they build cities of stone and was created states (First Bulgarian Empire, Volga Bulgaria) after the falling of Old Great Bulgaria. Actually all article is needed by changes and presenting of more modern, indipendent and different points of view.--Stolichanin (talk) 16:31, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Contoversial perhaps, but also the most accepted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.173.25.83 (talk) 23:46, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 October 2014[edit]

When you find time, please add a space before "and" in this picture caption: "highlighting the Bulgarian Empireand" should be "highlighting the Bulgarian Empire and"

76.4.82.164 (talk) 14:20, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done - thanks for pointing that out - Arjayay (talk) 14:55, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Untitled #3[edit]

The article states that the Bulgars = Bolgars= Bulghars=Proto-Bulgarians= Huno-Bulgars which is basically speaking true but after that it says that they were Turkic people. This is controversial. The origin of the Huns is still unclear. Most scholars equate the Bulgars with the Huns, see for example Maenchen-Helfen, The world of the Huns, pp. 164, 199, 381 and 43 1—32. Please also note the identification of the name Irnik on the Bulgarian Princes’ List with and the youngest son Ernach of Attila. See Steven Runciman, A History of the First Bulgarian Empire (http://promacedonia.org/en/sr/index.html), London, 1930, pp. 279—81. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PavelStaykov (talkcontribs) 19:25, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

All cited sources (from 3 to 15) are unaccessible or parrot books - they repeat other books without any original research. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PavelStaykov (talkcontribs) 19:44, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Tengri ( or Tangra ) was not a Turkic God, it was a deity of all nomads in Central Asia during that period. This sounds like Turkish chauvinism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PavelStaykov (talkcontribs) 20:01, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

paragraph Ethnicity -> where source 83 states that

The Bulgar language spoken by the Bulgar elites was a member of the Oghuric branch of the Turkic language family

May be the author was not completely sober when he wrote the paragraph? — Preceding unsigned comment added by PavelStaykov (talkcontribs) 20:23, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

section Genetics -> source 87 is not accessible. But the author's favorite source 83 states that : A branch of this people was one of the primary three ethnic ancestors of modern Bulgarians. Source 87 is not accessible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PavelStaykov (talkcontribs) 21:05, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

section Language -> all prominent historians and scholars say: the language may have resemble proto-turkic language - which is quite different from the bald statement that it was Oghuric Turkic language.

Everyone can make a mistake. Everyone can make a mistake even twice. But to do this constantly, without solid arguments is absurd. The article must be re-written anew. In this form it is a manifestation of Turkish chauvinism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PavelStaykov (talkcontribs) 21:42, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Etymology-> again only Turkic theory is exposed. There are other theories also. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PavelStaykov (talkcontribs) 21:52, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Subsequent migrations -> The legend is not about sticks, it is about arrows. At least try to study our history with more attention to details.

The theories about the origin of Bulgars and their name's etymology[edit]

Pavel and everyone else, be concise and post here cites about other theories, and remember they have to be from reliable sources by reliable scholars(!).--Crovata (talk) 22:28, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Subsequent migrations -> The legend is not about sticks, it is about arrows. At least try to study our history with more attention to details. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PavelStaykov (talkcontribs) 06:59, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
Be concise and answer on your claim "There are other theories also". What other theories and what they say?--Crovata (talk) 07:13, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

read here - year 45 http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turkic/70_Dateline/72_Bulgars/bulgar_dateline_1_En.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by PavelStaykov (talkcontribs) 22:19, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Basically it says that Bulgars are Ases of As-Tokhar confederation and Bulgar name ascends to Balkh, Balkh tribes = Balkh gurs => Bulkh-gurs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PavelStaykov (talkcontribs) 22:23, 28 March 2015 (UTC)