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Christian Union

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Also, may I recommend that you archive old content from this rather long user talk page, onto separate sub-pages? See WP:ARCHIVE. I would be willing to do it for you if you like. – Fayenatic L (talk) 07:23, 29 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

AV deal with Labour without referendum

I accept that William Hague believed that Labour had offered AV without a referendum on 10 Maay 2010 when he conceded the referendum on live TV.

There is however no evidence that Labour made such an offer. This Michael Crick blog makes this fairly clear:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/newsnight/michaelcrick/2010/07/was_the_coalition_built_on_a_l.html

Ahead of tonight's Newsnight special on the coalition (at 2230 on BBC Two) it is worth asking a big question:

Were Conservative MPs railroaded into accepting the coalition on the basis of a lie, or at best an unfortunate misunderstanding?

That's the allegation which has been swirling round among Tories at Westminster for several weeks now.

One Conservative MP - far from a right-winger - reckons David Cameron lied to the shadow Cabinet and his backbench MPs at least four times in the hours leading up to the coalition agreement with the Lib Dems on 11 May.

The big issue is whether the Conservatives needed to offer Nick Clegg a referendum on the AV voting system.

Mystery especially surrounds what happened on the afternoon of Monday 10 May.

I recall William Hague emerging from St. Stephen's entrance of the Commons with the surprising news that the Tories would now offer the Lib Dems a referendum on AV.

I suggested to Hague that the Conservatives were now merely matching Labour, who had been promising a referendum on AV since Gordon Brown's speech at the 2009 Labour conference, and included it in their 2010 manifesto.

Oh no, Hague told me, he understood that Labour was now offering the Lib Dems AV WITHOUT a referendum.

I must admit Hague's comment disconcerted me. I failed to follow it up, simply because I feared I was uninformed and that Labour had made this promise during the course of the day and I hadn't noticed.

And it's now clear from several government Tory sources that David Cameron told both his Shadow Cabinet that afternoon, and the meeting of all Conservative MPs that evening, the same thing. His argument was that they had to do something to catch up with Labour's offer to the Lib Dems of AV without a referendum.

But it wasn't true. There's no evidence that Labour ever offered the Lib Dems AV without a referendum. Indeed it's hard to see how the Labour leadership ever could have got Labour MPs to go along with such an idea. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RichasAA (talk • contribs) 12:42, 17 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for that detailed explanation. I've put a summary of that into the article. Bondegezou (talk) 12:53, 17 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Psychology of pain

Continuing the email exchange:

Thank you for your kind response. I'm hoping to find editors with a broad-ish view of one or more of the sub-fields of the psychology of pain. I believe the article, Psychology of pain, may benefit from a section on health psychology as it relates to pain, and was wondering if you, or someone you know, might be interested in having a crack at it - or any other section/s. I've just asked retired Prof. Gary Rollman if he'd be interested in the psychophysics section and he has declined to do any writing but is looking for a good overview of the topic I can use as a basis for the section.

Please don't feel under any pressure at all over this, I just thought I'd run it by you in case it tickled your fancy.

Presently I would like to see the article summarise the way the following deal with pain: behavioural psychology, cognitive psychology and the psychotherapies that emerge from them, health psychology, social psychology, neuropsychology, and psychophysics; and possibly also psychophysiology, social neuroscience and psychiatry. But I'm wide open to suggestions. --Anthonyhcole (talk) 17:19, 13 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Citation (help) needed

Thanks for the help Bondegezou! I'm not usually flustered by easy functions but multiple citations from the same source always confuse me; I never do it right! doktorb wordsdeeds 15:03, 19 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Mid Ulster

Hey Bondegezou. Good work on Mid Ulster. I emailed the Treasury along the same lines and got nowhere! Maybe he's "done a Gerry Adams" and assumed he's resigned just by sending in a letter and not thought any more about it? In any case, we can say without doubt that there's no chance of a 2012 election date. doktorb wordsdeeds 18:22, 8 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

My guess is he's just not done it. I'll guess we'll see if there are any further developments. And thanks for all your work on the various by-election articles! Bondegezou (talk) 21:04, 8 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
It's back! doktorb wordsdeeds 22:03, 27 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. I took [1] and others to be sufficient indication that this is now happening. Bondegezou (talk) 22:05, 27 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Opinion polling for the next United Kingdom general election

Hi, just thought I'd let you know there's a little discussion going on here regarding Sheffno1gunner reverting your edits. I've warned him about mislabelling your edits as vandalism, but I suspect this issue isn't resolved yet. Thanks! – Richard BB 11:49, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sock puppets on Opinion polling for the next United Kingdom general election

Hi there, I thought that this might interest you. Apparently much of the consensus that was achieved on the article was done through two (or more) sock puppets. I notice that these sock puppets have often argued you down when they didn't like your opinion; now that they've been exposed, I'd say now's the time for you to speak openly and freely. – Richard BB 18:46, 4 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Eastleigh

Hi, can I suggest a compromise? When UKIP pick a candidate we add the disputed material to that section such as 'UKIP have picked Joe Bloggs as their candidate for the by election. Nigel Farage, leader of the UK Independence Party, previously...' Rsloch (talk) 11:56, 6 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see the point. If the material warrants inclusion after UKIP pick a candidate, it warrants inclusion now. The question is whether it warrants inclusion. On that question, I turn to policy and the amount of RS coverage.
Perhaps we should stick to the Eastleigh Talk page to continue the discussion. Bondegezou (talk) 13:33, 6 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Plagiarism at the John Wetton article

You seem to be arguing that a little bit of plagiarism is OK, if it serves a useful purpose. I don't agree. Wikipedia has been stung badly by those who researched and discovered an awful lot of plagiarism in Wiki articles. The powers that be at Wikipedia are determined to stamp it out, and helping them to carry out that stated policy. I suggest you read the article [[2]], and then get back to me as to why this Wetton article should be allowed to continue to use plagiarized statements. If you cannot give me solid evidence that doing so is OK, under Wikipedia rules, then I will revert your last edit there. Please respond in the Plagiarism section of the Wetton Talk page. 71.93.90.163 (talk) 15:21, 7 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Answered at Talk:John_Wetton#Plagiarized_material. In short, see Wikipedia:Plagiarism#What_is_not_plagiarism. Bondegezou (talk) 16:16, 7 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ekklesia (think tank)

Re Ekklesia (think tank) and negative quotes. I thought the Guardian quote from the Bishop of Willesden was a significant indicator of notabilitity and a reasonable indication of their position wrt the established church. Chuunen Baka (talk • contribs) 17:40, 8 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It's not The Guardian saying something about Ekklesia. It's The Guardian commenting on private comments the Bishop said on a social networking site. The thrust of the article, such as it is, is to comment on the Bishop's indiscretion. It's hard to see that as "a reasonable indication of their position wrt the established church." It would be better to have cites that are directly about Ekklesia, as with the other citation you gave. Bondegezou (talk) 18:47, 8 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Northern Ireland "rule"

From what I remember, an editor who doesn't contribute any further ("O Fenian", I think his name was), hauled me up at the Arbitration Committee for breaking a rule agreed by the Northern Ireland project. That rule turned out to be "You can only revert once anything related to "The Troubles"". I pointed out that explaining to readers why Gerry Adams did not consider his resignation to be a resignation (or whatever!) was not directly related to "The Troubles", even if Gerry Adams himself is, and this soon closed the issue down. In short, I suspect an editor with a grudge fancied playing silly devils. doktorb wordsdeeds 16:50, 6 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ah. I see the problem... and also how it really isn't a problem at all! Bondegezou (talk) 17:13, 6 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Only 3 seats.

What's the definition of 'only' in this case? Eg (or ie?) do the Lib-Dems have "only 57 Members in the House of Commons"? I note they have "only 5 seats" in the Scottish Parliament. 92.15.77.178 (talk) 00:16, 16 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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