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Young Earth Creationism

I am confused as to why you removed my edit. I tried to make it unbiased. I did not say that either YECs or mainstream scientists are right or wrong. I pointed out the difference in the way they look at evidence. A YEC looks at a piece of evidence and says, "I need to make this fit within my little box that my literal interpretation of Genesis created. The modern scientist looks at the evidence, disregarding the Bible as not applicable or not reliable, and draws his own conclusion of the evidence outside of the Bible, and if the Bible happens to fit the interpretation, then so be it. If the modern scientist happens to be a Christian, he will fit the Bible into his interpretation of the evidence. Does that make sense? This is not a judgement on the rightness or wrongness of each view. It is an explanation of how YECs are uncompromising with their views on science since they start with a rigid box (Genesis).

Onceuponatime123 (talk) 23:11, 9 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

YEC makes science claims therefore is measured under our rules for science articles, see WP:FRINGE, their ideas are entirely out there way out fringe for science views therefore any statements or claims are based on the standpoint of science. NPOV doesn't mean we give equal WP:WEIGHT. Your edits are giving YEC's views too much weight therefore not neutral according to wikipedia's definition. Take it to the talk page of the article if you disagree with my assessment, please be mindful of WP:3RR which you've already violated technically today once. — raekyt 23:14, 9 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It's an article on YEC. Shouldn't it have a clear description of what YEC is? I'm confused. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Onceuponatime123 (talk • contribs) 23:19, 9 July 2013‎

It does, but it doesn't give its "science" claims with that of what science actually says about it. Their viewpoints is all fairy tail bullshit, and the article makes it clear per WP:NPOV, WP:FRINGE and WP:WEIGHT. Wikipedia doesn't pander to fringe group's theories, this is an educational website so we represent actual verifiable science for any science claims. — raekyt 23:23, 9 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

From the NPOV page: "In the case of beliefs and practices, Wikipedia content should not only encompass what motivates individuals who hold these beliefs and practices, but also account for how such beliefs and practices developed." That's what I was attempting to do. Explain how YEC analyze facts differently than most others. I'm assuming you are not a YEC. I would say this edit actually gives more bias against YEC, as it shows that YEC's are "constrained to their little box" in their interpretations and are forced to avoid all other interpretations. This comes across sometimes as confrontational and stubborn among mainstream scientists. I wouldn't mind adding that last sentence to the clarification remarks. Onceuponatime123 (talk) 23:26, 9 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Bring it up on the article's talk page if you actually want to make any of these changes, much of your post was clearly biased pro-yec meant to diminish the standpoint of the science. — raekyt 23:27, 9 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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