Talk:Nair

Nairs are kshatriya proof found it is only a begining more proofs will follow

Mr matthew in the book "Journal of the Asiatic Society of Bombay, Volume 5" on page number 40 it has been clearly stated that nairs are kshatriya means warriors class why you did not mention it here.So here is my first proof.Respected sir please wait for other proofs. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sumesh kaimal (talk • contribs) 22:45, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Yes, there are several Brtish Raj sources that state the Nairs to be kshatriya. They were written by people who are now generally considered to be uninformed amateurs who at best recorded what they were told by members of the communities that they were studying. All this has been dealt with on numerous past occasions on this talk page. I recommend a read of our article concerning sanskritisation and also a closer read of what this article actually says - it does mention the kshatriya opinion and it does explain that such a group did not really exist in southern India, where the four-fold varna system did not really exist. Indeed, it is probably because it did not exist that Kerala became a "lunatic asylum" of castes (Vivekananda used that phrase). - Sitush (talk) 22:53, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Mr sitush, the point made here is that since it has been mentioned and cited it should be included.

Unwanted information's like sexual relationships between some women and nabudiri's ("Some Nair women also practiced hypergamy with Nambudiri Brahmins from the Malabar area.") is of no importance to be put up on the lead section. Are you playing games here ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.48.204.138 (talk • contribs)

Wikipedia includes information which has been verified by reliable sources. Once you find a reliable source, the info can be included. Qwyrxian (talk) 13:26, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

The hypergamy of he Nair community is the most studied aspect of their culture and is indeed their primary "claim to fame" in anthropological circles. - Sitush (talk) 13:32, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Probably because there are people like you who are more interested in sexual matters. Your declaration of this most studied aspect comes from your own personal opinion and has nothing to do with the facts. Moreover that is a ritual and if something needs to be mentioned in the lead it should be about the ritual and not the way you have crapped in the lead.

Nair's include people of forward caste and mostly kshatriya's. They also include few communities that cam under shudra's this can be pretty well covered in the lead.

Please note

It is stated in the article that castes like Vilakkithala and Veluthedathu Nairs belong to Nair caste. It may be noted that:

Vilakkithala and Veluthedathu Nairs do not belong to NSS. They have their own organisations, namely the Vilakkithala Nair Samajam and the Veluthedathu Nair Samajam.

These castes are eligible for reservation in the Other Backward Caste category. The Government of Kerala and India have recognised Nairs as a forward caste. That is, they are ineligible for reservation.

Those desirous of reservation in educational and employment sectors should specify which eligible (for reservation) caste they belong to, along with necessary proof. 'Nair' is a caste that is thus ineligible, while 'Vilakkithala and Veluthedathu Nairs' are not. No authorised authority would furnish a testimonial to some one belonging to Nair caste stating his eligibility to reservation and its benefits.

In educational and employment sectors, the purpose of reservation is to help those communities who were earlier socially and economically handicapped in the past. The government has charted out a detailed list of those deemed worthy of reservation. The idea of putting a community that dominated the political, economic, administrative and cultural history of Kerala amongst castes eligible for reservation could only be ascribed to selfish and base motives.

It is a glaring truth that in India this woe and curse of caste system existed that was meaningless and inhuman. It served no purpose other than dragging back a great civilisation. Thankfully, the influence of this system is on wane, particularly in Kerala. However, it is requested that those writing on social set up of Kerala including the caste system, should try to stick to facts as far as possible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Indrajitthotta (talk • contribs) 09:40, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

We stick to what is said by reliable sources in accordance with our policy of verifiability. I'm not sure that issues of government classification and NSS membership necessarily relate to Nair status but if you have any such reliable sources that contradict the ones presently used then feel free to raise them here. - Sitush (talk) 11:27, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Those interested in the veracity of the earlier post may kindly refer to the booklet issued by Government of Kerala along with PSC forms. I mean to say that this is the easiest way of checking out. I don't know about how it is now (in this era of downloadable admission cards), but they used to issue booklets detailing the instructions to the candidates about six to seven years back. A list of the reserved castes were listed. Surely, this information must be available in the sites of the concerned departments and the PSC itself. I stand by what was said earlier. 'Nair' is a general category, ineligible for reservation. Castes like Vilakkithala and Veluthedathu Nairs are eligible as they should be, given their disadvantageous position in the earlier cultural and social scenario in Kerala. I fail to see how the experts who preside over the editing are unaware of these basic facts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Indrajitthotta (talk • contribs)

This article is not presided over by experts. As Sitush said, all we ever do is follow what reliable sources says. Those booklets may or may not be reliable sources, but if they are, they are primary sources, and so we have to use them very carefully and only for exactly what they say (i.e., no interpretation at all). Qwyrxian (talk) 02:48, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

"Some Nair women also practiced hypergamy with Nambudiri Brahmins from the Malabar area." - in the lead section?????

Is this line talking about sexual relation ships between some women with nabudiri's worth mentioning on the lead. Oh come are you kidding ????

EDITORS - this is an epic fail article. This is how resources can be used out of context to lead to a total disaster. Whoever has protection rights, shame on you. Do act innocent it's very clear how biased you are.

See my reply to your exact same point of a few minutes ago. Please don't open new sections just to repeat yourself: it makes keeping track of things difficult and it leads to people having to repeat themselves in turn. Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 13:35, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Mr. Sitush, since you have taken this enormous task of monitoring this article on your strong shoulders, this comes as an added responsibility. No body is forcing you to be a watch dog. I see you strive very hard to keep this article out of context. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.186.122.130 (talk) 16:57, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your concern, although your conclusion is misguided. The task of maintenance and development of this article would be less onerous if people could make the effort to comply with our policies and guidelines and, erm, read or provide the sources for the point that they wish to discuss. - Sitush (talk) 17:03, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

The words of duke of Lord Wellington

" I like to see these nairs who never care their lives who lead an army of similar people even against mighty ocean of enemies and fight to win like a hell-fire " - Lord Wellington — Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.76.58.149 (talk) 15:37, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

List of nair freedom fighters

Pallichal Pillai (Also known as Vanchimuttam Pillai) - Leader of the first rise-up(1721) against British in the Indian History Known as Attingal Riot, Kodumon Pillai - Co-partner with Pallichal Pillai and Attingal Queen in Attingal Riot, T.P.Gopalakrishnan Nair - Master brain of Royal Indian Naval Riot(April 1946) which caused the exile of British from India, Billy Nair - South African anti-apartheid activist and comrade of Nelson Mandela and M. P., Chengalathu Kunhirama Menon - Renowned journalist and freedom fighter, Ammu Swaminathan - (freedom fighter), N. Sreekantan Nair - (freedom fighter), G. P. Pillai - (freedom fighter) - Founder Madras Mail - News Paper, K. P. Kesava Menon - Indian independence activist, Velu Thampi Dalawa - Dalawa of erstwhile Travancore Kingdom, Freedom Fighter, Edachena Kunkan Nair - Commander of Kerala Varma Pazhassi Raja's army in Wyanad., Kaitheri Ambu Nambiar - Commander of Kerala Varma Pazhassi Raja's army in Kottayam, as well as his brother-in-law., Vaikom Padmanabha Pillai - a.k.a Kuthira Pakki, Commander of the Travancore Nair Army, which defeated Tipu Sultan., Mannathu Padmanabhan - Social reformer and freedom fighter, Sir Chettur Shankaran Nair - President of the Indian National Congress & member of the Viceroy's Executive Council., K. Kelappan - a.k.a Kerala Gandhi, freedom fighter, founder of NSS., Cherumony Damodaran Nair - {freedom fighter}-INA., Sankara Narayanan Thampi - Freedom Fighter., Kuttickat Krishna Menon - Freedom Fighter; arrested with others for hoisting the Indian National Flag during the Independence Struggle and jailed along with prominent youth leaders of the time like K.Karunakaran;died in 1980 while in service as Public Relations Officer at Indian Rare Earths Limited,Cochin., T. M. Nair - Tharavath Madhavan Nair - Founder of Justice Party,Politician And Physician., K P Madhavan Nair - Freedom Fighter and former All India General Secretary of Indian National Congress, Dr. G Ramachandran - Freedom Fighter and Founder of Gandhigram (Now Gandhigram Rural University) in Madurai, Shri. T.C Kesava Pillai - Member of Legislative Council, Travancore, Founder of Kuzhithura VavuBali and of the Kollencode heritage, R.Ragava Menon-Palakkad,freedom fighter.minister Prakasam ministry,Madras, N. Chandra sekharan Nair, Karikkakarhil Veedu, Nanniyode Pacha ( Freedom Fighter and Congress Leader) He is from Ancient Ettuveetil- Chemphazhanthy Pillai Family. His son P.N. Bhaskaran Nair, Founder of Kerala Press Nanniyode is also involved in freedom fighting and a Hindi Pracharak., — Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.76.58.149 (talk) 15:45, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

sitush tell me your real name.Why you using a fake id and name to publish a fake article which is wrong.I hope you only want to make money  ?

mr sitush i found out that you are using a fake name and you are writing this article to make money let me see what i can do — Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.66.190.91 (talk) 15:15, 28 July 2013 (UTC)