Talk:Salafi movement

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AnonMoos 03:01, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Claim not obviously backed by citation

The article says:

In recent years the Salafi methodology has come to be associated with the jihad of extremist groups such as Al-Qaeda and related groups that advocate the killing of innocent civilians.

I do not see anything in the PBS article that justifies the statement in Wikipedia.--Toddy1 (talk) 07:18, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

i guess that source doesnt say that exactly but there's other sources that associate them with terrorism. Baboon43 (talk) 18:03, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Which is why I added a FACT tag.--Toddy1 (talk) 18:05, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Request for a review

Please could someone else review what I have done to the paragraph by User:MohaddesTop. I have "truthified" it as best I can: making the text such that the citations really back it up, fixed problems with citations, etc.[1] --Toddy1 (talk) 11:24, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

it says wahabi movement and salafi movement are "allegedly" the same, when its confirmed that they are already see Wahhabi movement etymology & there's other RS that describes these two words as synonym especially when saudis adopted it in the 70's. saudi wahabis also backed the demolition of islamic heritage sites now there's many different types of groups out there..the so called salafi groups have split into several breakaway sects but obviously the saudi wahabis have backed and supported the demolition as a religious duty & this cant be denied. Baboon43 (talk) 02:57, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

It's not exactly confirmed; in the section you linked to, the prince is denying Wahhabism even exists. Given that Muhammad ibn Abdul-Wahhab never used Salafism as a noun or talked about a movement - he called his movement muwahhidun and the first people to talk about Salafism were the predecessors of the Muslim Brotherhood - it really isn't accurate to say that Wahhabism and Salafism are the same thing. Some people do say that, and many differentiate between the two. This difference is reflected in reliable sources. We have to make sure not to give undue weight to any one view. MezzoMezzo (talk) 04:08, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

it doesnt matter what the prince says..people call them wahabis as does academics..there's no independent movement thats called salafi and not refered as wahabi by others..broad range of sources confirm this. [2] [3] [4] Baboon43 (talk) 04:24, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

A broad range of sources also differentiates between the two. Other editors have pointed this out to you enough times across the talk pages of enough articles to render link wars back and forth pointless. Thus, the word "allegedly" is more neutral. MezzoMezzo (talk) 04:26, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

stop making things up no other editors pointed anything out to me its only you who have argued against this..list the broad range of sources that differentiate the two or this will be labeled undue weight...& its not "a claim" that saudi wahabis believe its a religious duty to demolish buildings its a fact...lets say the two are differentiated if thats the case then it should be noted saudi wahabis want to demolish islamic sites and other so called salafi groups dont. Baboon43 (talk) 04:44, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Check the lead of this article for the fact that some analysts differentiate between the two. As for the demolotion, then I wasn't discussing that; I was responding to the usage of the word "allegedly." MezzoMezzo (talk) 05:11, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

since you didnt post any RS its Undue Weight. & the lead should be removed it looks like OR Baboon43 (talk) 18:49, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

The second paragraph of the introduction claiming that the "the movement is often" would be supportable with reliable sources if it were changed to "the movement is sometimes". If you think that the Salafists and Wahhabis are undoubtedly the same thing, you should us WP:AFD to propose that one of the articles be turned into a redirect to the other.--Toddy1 (talk) 23:08, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

@User:Baboon43: I don't need to post a source because there are already reliable sources in the lead for this article and the article on the Wahhabi movement noting the distinction between the two and you know that because it's been explained to you before. As is suggested, if you think they're the same then go through the proper avenues for addressing that. MezzoMezzo (talk) 04:01, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Salafism in Syria

I swear to God that this Salafism in Syria are all things that I have written. Wikipedia about the hero Mahdi Army in Iraq terrorist calls but not everyone knows that they are the Salafists, so crimes Surrey Mknnd — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.186.163.80 (talk) 12:12, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

But the edits you made to the article [5] and [6] consisted of deleting a large amount of useful cited comment, and replacing it with the following uncited and irrelevant statement:

"Who are the Salafists, the wild ass of them selves and their heads are the people Khvrannd Syria Syrian girls, they are fighting not to exceed intruders, they are killers and they destroy the world."

So you got reverted both times.--Toddy1 (talk) 14:02, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

I have accepted your words. I've removed some of the useful but you Mahdi Army hero, you're a terrorist, but as Jihadi Salafis're called. You've seen repeatedly in Syria crimes Salafists I even got angry if I did not remove the beneficial parts of their own revolution in Syria and Syria called Liberator. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.186.177.186 (talk) 19:30, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Editor needed

"Though Salafis when told about this were as opposed to it as other Muslims."

This is not even a sentence in English.

G. Robert Shiplett 23:12, 23 October 2013 (UTC)