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Counter-Strike series

I appreciate that you took the liberty of creating a much-needed page for one of the biggest FPS franchises in the world. I would encourage you to expand upon the page and improve it to the quality it deserves. Once again, thank you! DARTHBOTTO talk•cont 22:22, 30 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@DarthBotto: I appreciate it, but the credit should go to User:Pek. I've only improved the article, not created it outright. I do plan on working on it in the near future, but I feel the game pages themselves deserve priority over the series. Regardless, thank you for giving credit to editors :D -Nicereddy (talk) 22:51, 30 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Samsun citations

I have improved a citation and removed the note at the top. If you think citations are still lacking could you possibly put "citation needed" where you think a reference is needed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jzlcdh (talk • contribs) 16:59, 15 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Jzlcdh: Looks good to me, thanks! --Nicereddy (talk) 21:00, 15 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Feedback needed on using special characters

Hello. Thank you for using VisualEditor! Having editors use it is the best way for the Wikimedia Foundation to develop it into the best tool it can be.

While we always welcome general feedback (please report any issues in Bugzilla in the "VisualEditor" product or drop your feedback on the central feedback page on MediaWiki.org), the developers are especially interested right now in feedback on the special character inserter. This new tool is used for inserting special characters (including symbols like ₥, IPA pronunciation symbols, mathematics symbols, and characters with diacritics). It is intended to help people whose computers do not have good character inserters. For example, many Mac users prefer to use the extensive "Special Characters..." tool present at the bottom of the Edit menu in all applications or to learn the keyboard shortcuts for characters like ñ and ü.

The current version of the special characters tool in VisualEditor is very simple and very basic. It will be getting a lot of work in the coming weeks and months. It does not contain very many character sets at this time. (The specific character sets can be customized at each Wikipedia, so that each project could have a local version with the characters it wants.) But the developers want your ideas at this early stage about ways that the overall concept could be improved. I would appreciate your input on this question, so please try out the character inserter and tell me what changes to the design would (or would not!) best work for you.

Screenshot of the Insert menu in VisualEditor
The "insert" pulldown on the task bar of VisualEditor will lead you to the '⧼visualeditor-specialcharacterinspector-title⧽' tool.
Screenshot of Special Characters tool
This is the ⧼visualeditor-specialcharacterinspector-title⧽ inserter as it appears on many wikis. (Some may have customized it.) Your feedback on this tool is particularly important.

Issues you might consider:

  • How often do you normally use Wikipedia's character inserters?
  • Which character sets are useful to you? Should it include all 18 of the character sets provided in the wikitext editor's newer toolbar at the English Wikipedia, the 10 present in the older editor toolbar, or some other combination of character sets?
  • How many special characters would you like to see at one time?
    • Should there be a "priority" or "favorites" section for the 10 or 12 characters that most editors need most often? Is it okay if you need an extra click to go beyond the limited priority set?
    • How should the sections be split up? Should they be nested? Ordered?
    • How should the sections be navigated? Should there be a drop-down? A nested menu?
  • The wikitext editor has never included many symbols and characters, like ℗ and ♀. Do you find that you need these missing characters? If the character inserter in VisualEditor includes hundreds or thousands of special characters, will it be overwhelming? How will you find the character you want? What should be done for users without enough space to display more than a few dozen characters?
  • Should the character inserter be statically available until dismissed? Should it hover near the mouse? Should it go away on every selection or 10 seconds after a selection with no subsequent ones?
  • Some people believe that the toolbar already has too many options—how would you simplify it?

The developers are open to any thoughts on how the special character inserter can best be developed, even if this requires significant changes. Please leave your views on the central feedback page, or, if you'd prefer, you can contact me directly on my talk page. It would be really helpful if you can tell me how frequently you need to use special characters in your typical editing and what languages or other special characters are important to you.

Thank you again for your work with VisualEditor and for any feedback you can provide. I really do appreciate it.

P.S. You might be interested in the current ideas about improving citations, too. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 00:20, 18 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

A cup of coffee for you!

Thanks for commenting at meta:Grants:IdeaLab/WikiProject management suite‎. I made the proposal because I want those tools but those kinds of projects are completely outside my skill set to execute. If in your travels you meet someone who does usability and wants to manage that, please refer them to the project to see if they would develop it. It seems not unlikely to me that a person with the right skills could apply successfully for a grant to manage it. Blue Rasberry (talk) 12:03, 18 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

VisualEditor Newsletter—February 2014

Did you know?
Click this image to see the details.

You can easily re-use references by going to the Insert menu, choosing "Reference", and clicking on "Use an existing reference" in the lower left corner. A list of all references, their numbers, and their ref names (if any) will be shown. You can search the list for any author, title, date, or other keyword. Read the user guide for more information.

Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor team has worked on some small changes to the user interface, such as moving the reference item to the top of the Insert menu, as well as some minor features and fixing bugs, especially for rich copying and pasting of references.

The biggest change was the addition of more features to the image dialog, including the ability to set alignment (left, right, center), framing options (thumbnail, frame, frameless, and none), adding alt text, and defining the size manually. There is still some work to be done here, including a quick way to set the default size.

  • The main priority is redesigning the reference dialog, with the goal of providing autofill features for ISBNs and URLs and streamlining the process. Current concept drawings are available at mw:VisualEditor/Design/Reference Dialog. Please share your ideas about making referencing quick and easy with the designers.
  • A few bugs in the existing reference dialog were fixed. The toolbar was simplified to remove galleries and lists from the reference dialog. When you re-use references, it now correctly displays the references again, rather than just the number and name. If you paste content into a dialog that can't fit there (e.g. ==section headings== in references), it now strips out the inappropriate HTML.
  • You can now edit image galleries inside VisualEditor. At this time, the gallery tool is a very limited option that gives you access to the wikitext. It will see significant improvements at a later date.
  • The character inserter tool in the "Insert" menu is being redesigned. Your feedback on the special character inserter is still wanted, especially if you depend on Wikipedia's character inserters for your normal editing rather than using the ones built into your computer.
  • You can now see a help page about keyboard shortcuts in the page menu (three bars next to the Cancel button) (Template:Bug).
  • If you edit categories, your changes will now display correctly after saving the page (Template:Bug).
  • Saving the page should be faster now (Template:Bug).
  • Any community can ask to test a new tool to edit TemplateData by leaving a note at Template:Bug.

Looking ahead: The link tool will tell you when you're linking to a disambiguation or redirect page. The warning about wikitext will hide itself after you remove the wikitext markup in that paragraph. Support for creating and editing redirects is in the pipeline. Looking further out, image handling will be improved, including default and upright sizes. The developers are also working on support for viewing and editing hidden HTML comments, some behavioral magic words like DISPLAYTITLE, and in-line language setting (dir="rtl").

If you have questions or suggestions for future improvements, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting a note at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) 04:21, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Orphaned non-free image File:Square Steam Logo.png

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Thanks for uploading File:Square Steam Logo.png. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described in the criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Stefan2 (talk) 16:47, 7 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Your reference changes in the NUON article

Thanks a lot for your help before. It has made things a little easier. However, I am curious as to what format you used to make the reference list look like that.AustralianPope (talk) 19:48, 12 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@AustralianPope: I use either the VisualEditor or ProveIt for references. VisualEditor is more like editing a Word document, ProveIt is an extension of the normal Wikipedia editor. You can enable VisualEditor in the "Beta" menu in the top right, then edit using the "Edit beta" button instead of "Edit source". ProveIt is for the default WikiEditor, and there's a guide for enabling it on the ProveIt page I linked to.
If you prefer the normal editor, you should use one of the cite templates, like Template:Cite web for websites or Template:Cite book for books. They provide an easy "cheat sheet" which you can copy onto the page and then fill out. As for VisualEditor, you can add a reference by editing a page and then going to Insert > References > Insert (again) > Transclusion (just a fancy word for Template), entering "cite web" and filling out the boxes with the author name, date the article was released, etc.
There's an improved References menu for VisualEditor in development right now, unfortunately it won't be released until a few weeks or months from now. It's unfortunately somewhat complicated to do it right now, although I think VisualEditor is a huge improvement over the default editor.
Hopefully that answers your question! Tell me if I need to clarify anything, sometimes I accidentally use Wikipedia jargon without realizing it. --Nicereddy (talk) 22:28, 12 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks a lot! If you can, keep an eye on that page for me so you can tell me if I mess ha. I am trying to push the article to B-class or higher. AustralianPope (talk) 22:32, 12 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@AustralianPope:You're very welcome! I forgot to mention that you can check out Help:Introduction to referencing and Wikipedia:Citing sources for more information on citations. The "RefToolbar" they mention may also be good to check out, although I prefer ProveIt because the latter allows for editing citations after they're placed, whereas RefToolbar adds them to the page and you can't change them easy without mucking around in Wikicode. --Nicereddy (talk) 22:40, 12 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

One more thing though. Is youtube considered a reliable source? Especially if the company the article is mentioning uploaded the videos themselves? AustralianPope (talk) 23:07, 12 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@AustralianPope: Depends on the video/publisher of the video. After looking around a bit, I found Wikipedia:Video links which should explain it pretty well. If it's uploaded by the company which is being written about, it's probably fine to reference it. --Nicereddy (talk) 23:14, 12 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Nicereddy, I have made a few more edits to the article, and am wondering if you would take a quick look. Let me know if there are some sections I should add or anything that needs to be fixed. AustralianPope (talk) 20:27, 13 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@AustralianPope: Your most recent edits seem perfectly fine to me, didn't notice any issues! --Nicereddy (talk) 01:29, 14 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  1. One more thing I want to ask you as well, how do you insert/upload images? AustralianPope (talk) 20:32, 13 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@AustralianPope: Depends on the image. There are generally two main types of images, "free" and "fair use" images. "Free" refers to images which are in the Public domain or similar places. There are also images which are "licensed" for reuse that allows for wide usage, which I would consider fairly similar to "free", as their licenses are fairly permissive in what they allow you to use them for. The Wikimedia Commons, a sister site of Wikipedia, is a great resource for these. Photos which you have taken by your own camera are technically "copyrighted" by you, meaning that if you were to go to Paris and take a picture of the Eiffel Tower, you'd own the copyright to that image, which you could then "give up" and upload for use on the Wikimedia Commons and Wikipedia.
"Fair use" or "non-free" images (See this Wikipedia guideline page for more information) are images that aren't taken by you or the rights to the image are owned by another person or company. For example, video game cover art or screenshots are owned by the company that developed the game. However, in order to give context to the topic at hand, news sources, Wikipedia, etc. are allows to claim "fair use" of things like cover art, assuming you have a reasonable explanation for their usage (e.g. the main illustrating element for a video game article, the cover art can't be replicated with free content as there's only one cover for the video game, etc.)
Unfortunately, because of these guidelines uploading images is a bit difficult. This is so Wikipedia can avoid lawsuits and similar issues if users were to upload copyrighted content. Anyway, there are two pretty easy ways of uploading content. If it's free-use, meaning you took the picture yourself (even if it includes, for example, a Coke logo in the corner you can use it as the Coke logo wouldn't be the primary point of the image. However, if you purposefully made it the focus of the image you couldn't use it. A Nuon DVD player would be fine, as long as the Nuon logo wasn't the sole focus and instead the image portrayed the DVD player as a whole. It's a bit complicated), you can easily upload it to the Wikimedia Commons using their Upload Wizard. I've uploaded this vector illustration I made to the Commons this way, for example.
If it's fair-use you'll want to upload it to Wikipedia, assuming you think it would improve the article you'll be using it in. Commons is for free images only, so definitely don't put it there. You can use Wikipedia's File Upload Wizard for that, which will guide you through the process pretty simply.
Sorry this reply got so long, I didn't mean to do over-complicate things. --Nicereddy (talk) 01:29, 14 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Sorry again for asking so much of you, but your Provelt suggestion helped me a great deal. I have made two pages that I would like you to check out any time you are available, Mach Speed Technologies, and Craig Electronics. Sorry for all the requests, you helped me out before, so I was just seeking your advice a couple more times since I know you give good advice :p. AustralianPope (talk) 23:10, 13 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@AustralianPope: My pleasure. Unfortunately, I'm not particularly knowledgeable on Wikipedia's notability guidelines seeing as I've generally avoided creating articles. The deletion policies help keep Wikipedia clean, but can definitely be extreme at times. I think the pages you made look good so far, albeit they are a bit sparse on references. Improving that may be a good idea, but also not very easy based on the Google searches I just tried for both companies. Unfortunately, I can't offer much in the way of creating articles. --Nicereddy (talk) 01:29, 14 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

No there's nothing complicated, you have helped me quite a bit. One of my articles Craig electronics, despite being modeled after Coby Electronics which is considered fine (although they are defunct), was deleted :(. Something about G11 and A7, but I did not see any advertising, and I don't know what they mean by importance, it has the same importance as that Coby electronics page. :(

There must be some rules I have not found yet that may explain why the article was deleted. My second article is being discussed for deletion too :(. That one took me forever to get good information. I am trying to defend it now. AustralianPope (talk) 16:09, 14 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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